Mon 12 Mar 2007
meta-mommy, part un
Posted by bon under pondering stuff
so, i’ve been thinking. yep. more than i let on.
admittedly, the thinking these days happens in shorter, more sober, and more interruptable increments than it used to back in the glory days my former life. and most definitely, my thinking gets less press than it used to. Oscar hasn’t expressed any particular reciprocal interest in my musings on geopolitics or Baudrillard’s recent passing, so…we stick mostly to the “buh! yes, that’s a duck, dear!” strain of conversation, punctuated by occasional ramblings by moi on my abiding love for him and how it’s not nice to bite mommy and swat her glasses off.
and here in blogland, where i actually make some small attempt to use complete sentences and words bigger than “bunny,” i’ve stuck mostly to the practical, the anecdotal, and the emotional ends of reflection.
but during the past week, i’ve happened upon a few posts that have gotten me wondering, explicitly, about the fascinating circus that is the Internet and particularly about this whole act of mommy blogging and what the hell i’m doing here. not in the sense of “do i belong?”…true, i’ve been a slow starter in terms of actually figuring out and performing the requisite rituals of link and comment that connect one to community here on ye olde interwebs, but i get it now. i’ve been getting love and belonging and commiseration and pleasure out of the connections i’ve made. what i’m trying to figure out is “what is it? what are we doing here, us moms (and dads) blogging about the wild ride of parenting? or is that even what most of us are really on about?”
it started for me when i (belatedly, because i’m a stegosaur who never quite got around to using a blog reader) stumbled upon a post that social networking diva Josie Fraser put up last month about parents - especially parents whose work is largely online and who have significant net presence - posting pictures of their kids. issues of privacy were raised, and of consent, and of the eventual online identities of said kids being shaped or impacted by still-searchable photos of them on their potties, in a nutshell. and i, who do not yet have a potty for O but would probably post pictures of him on it if i did, said “crap! never thought about that one, quite that way.” and then i burned in shame. and then i said “but i’ve never noticed any other parenting blog mention it explicitly, either…” and i felt much better and quite consoled by the idea that i’m no suckier a parent than most of the rest of you out there. i mean, simply because reading about everyone else’s child-rearing foibles makes me feel more smug better about my own doesn’t make the rest of you bad parents or anything…erm…right?
in truth, even a cursory scan of the momblogosphere will show that those of us whose blogs - which in many cases ARE our online work and a large component of the online presence we lay claim to - are overtly about our family lives do not speak in one voice on the privacy & kids issue, even if we don’t meta-talk it. (or rather, even if my archaic blog-reading methods haven’t led me to the probably vast existing body of meta-posts on it). some of you nickname your kids on your blogs, or identify them only by initial. many of you choose not to post pictures. these are, implicitly, statements about what is or isn’t acceptable or safe or consensual or decent or private, in your esteemed estimations. but because these statements, at least - again - to my limited scope of awareness, are generally implicit, they don’t enter into my own conversation with myself (and Dave) about what level of online presence is acceptable for O. i simply accept them, and if they’re different from my own choices, i figure “heck, cute nickname her kid’s got” or “maybe she hasn’t figured out how to upload pictures yet.” at the very most, i assume you have safety concerns about your child being identified online in this world we’re constantly being told is scary, and i respect that and wonder vaguely whether i should be more concerned myself, and soldier on.
Josie’s post and the conversation it exists within, however, isn’t about the safety repercussions of posting our children’s pictures online, or even about whether refusing to do so buys into the potential sexualization of images of kids, or any of the various nasty Pandora’s boxes that relate to that end of the conversation. it’s about whether it’s fair and decent to expose our kids to the public eye when they aren’t capable of consent, and even more, whether it’s acceptable to contribute to the online and therefore public identities of our children. this is a question that previous generations of parents never had to consider, unless they were celebrities…but now, the creation of online identity is a lifelong process with fairly dramatic ramifications. in ten years, O may be able to google his name and find this blog. his friends may be able to google his name and find this blog. in twenty, his potential boss might do the same. is that cool?
i don’t have the answer to that. until now, i’ve failed to even ask the question. i’ve presumed my blog was inherently harmless…a wry but loving chronicle of his early days, and even more, of my own early days on this parenting path. in the act of writing us down i am able to make meaning from what might otherwise seem like an endless cycle of diapers and “yes honey, that IS a duck.” i love blogging, and am grateful for the outlet and community and audience it offers…it’s mommy crack for me, even on the small scale i operate on. but i don’t want to lose sight of O’s dignity in my paroxysms of self-satisfaction, or draw unwanted attention to him in any form…be it from crazy predators or future child cyber-bullies. i don’t want to use him as cheap fodder for my own gratification.
(well, except for those cute naked photos i was planning to drag out for his prom…but see, that’s a parent’s prerogative, isn’t it?)
and that, in the end, is what i’m really blathering on about here. i’m Oscar’s mother. of course i’m shaping his identity, online and otherwise, at the moment. he’s a bloody baby…it is, very literally, my job to shape him, in his interactions, and his manners, and his tastes, and his knowledge of the world. his eventual online identity seems so minor an issue compared to all that, from where i’m standing. but when he’s ten years old, and not ten months, does that prerogative extend in the same way?
what do you think? what choices have you made around identifying and picturing your kids on your blog, if you have one…and why? do you think what you’re doing will matter to your kids someday? do you think they’ll even know about it? do you have a pre-set expiry date for your blog, if it’s kid-focused? is there a point at which you think that offspring should be asked for consent before being commented on publicly?
i really want to know.













March 12th, 2007 at 2:02 pm
I used to blog under my real name, and I used the names of my husband and daughter. I changed that to aliases in November, because I did not want anyone I know “in real life” to stumble on CAC without my permission. In particular, my mom and MIL. The person who write CAC is a version of myself - perhaps the truest version - that I did not want them to get to know.
I also stopped writing openly about my relationships with those women, which are complicated. However difficult they can be, I love them and I don’t want them to be hurt by anything I write.
On the other hand, my ambitions as a writer make it difficult to subvert my identity this way. I really want to turn my “pleasure writing” into something profitable. I enjoy the freelance writing I do to a point, but I would much prefer to get paid for CAC.
As for The Poo’s privacy, the photos and stories I post about her have a certain universal quality, so at this point I don’t feel like her privacy is being invaded. And I can’t help but want to share her most wonderful self with everyone.
So to sum up - I don’t know!
March 12th, 2007 at 2:44 pm
When I started my blog, I decided that I would identify my daughter by her nickname. I also decided not to post pictures of me or my husband. For some reason, this makes me feel safe. Although I know that the chances are incredibly small, I don’t want anyone to recognize us in public (also, I have strange, irrational fears about kidnapping).
March 12th, 2007 at 3:10 pm
I have no real advice - I just wanted to say that in 10 and 20 years I think O would be proud of how he is represented on your blog…you have been nothing but an honest person and isn’t that a wonderful lesson to teach your son?
Your blog keeps people like me “company” in those lonely mommy times when you just need to hear (read) that someone is going through some of the same things you are…part of what makes your blog captivating is how REAL you all are.
March 12th, 2007 at 3:51 pm
I’ve thought about this off and on since I started blogging.
As Mrs. Chicken said, they are pretty general/universal so I don’t have a huge hang-up about them.
I guess I try to keep anything “real” (names, places, dates, etc) very vague. There is some privacy in that.
As for pics, I post some because I’m a proud mommy.
I don’t get a lot of readers on my blog so I don’t know that many people know about it.
On that note, I did sign up for Google Analytics to see what part of the world people are reading from, what keywords are bringing them here, etc.
Depending on what I find there after a few months, I may change my opinion entirely on what I will and won’t post.
March 12th, 2007 at 4:23 pm
Bon, in regards to #4 on my last post, there was less output and more tummy “fullness” mixed with a lot of “OMG what in the he** was I thinking!”
March 12th, 2007 at 4:45 pm
thanks, S…for the info. fibre can be a dangerous friend.
and thanks, everybody, for the input so far…it’s really cool to get a sense of where you’re all coming from. and i do think that the universality element of babyhood/motherhood may be a key here, in terms both of what draws all of us to each other’s writing and in terms of i - at least - feel comfortable blogging about my children and my mothering, whatever the level of privacy.
Kate, thanks for saying you think O would be proud. i hope someday he finds this interesting to look through…and if occasionally embarrassing, not too much so.
March 12th, 2007 at 5:56 pm
I started a blog recently to cut and paste a bunch of ‘milestones’ about my two sons. I hope they might want to read about their childhood when they are grown. I think I would have loved to have that about my own childhood.
I have not ‘announced’ my blog anywhere though, so no one really knows it is there. I was a bit uncomfortable about exposing it before I read this and now I’m thinking I should possibly take out real names. I don’t know.
I love your blog by the way Bonnie, really great
March 12th, 2007 at 6:59 pm
Dude, go visit me. Present for you there.
March 12th, 2007 at 8:28 pm
I am figuring it out as I go along. My kids are nearly 2 and nearly 5. I do post photos, but I don’t ID them by name and I am somewhat vague about our location (although a close reader could figure it out). We live in a pretty out-of-the-way area so I feel comfortable with this. I do censor my writing because my husband sometimes reads my blog (ergo, I do not bitch about him as much as I otherwise might), and I haven’t told my parents or siblings about it for similar reasons. This is tough to maintain, though, as my blog becomes a bigger and more important part of my life.
March 12th, 2007 at 9:33 pm
I don’t really feel as though consent the issue. We are the parents and they are minors. Perhaps we should think of it in terms of a newspaper instead of the internet. If the local paper wanted to do a story on your family and kids, would you let them? Would you allow photos? Would you use your real names? Probably (unless it was for the “Police Blotter” or something!). Because it is the internet most of us are extra cautious due to all the horror stories. My blog is pretty new and so far I have no discernable photos of my kids and don’t use our names. I have this weird fear that there is a sicko out there who might plaster his bedroom walls with photos of my children! the chances of this are really pretty slim though, and a threat could be just as great (or maybe even more so) with the local paper.
March 12th, 2007 at 10:30 pm
Bonnie, i jumped into the blog world with blinders, meaning i didnt even realize that people could google and find me. I’m sure if I thought about it i would have figured it our but I essentially saw it as a way to cultivate a writing practice (I’ve always dreamed of being a writer) and to record and share our story. But yes, my story is my son Elias’s story, and one in which he is not yet the author, at least not by choice. And yet i also write for him b/c I wish i had access to my own childhood through my Mom’s words from the time. I plan to share it with Elias when he’s older but in my mind he is always old enough to understand, especially my grief about his premature birth and subsequent disabilities. I hadn’t thought about him–or his friends– discovering it when they are too young to understand. You bring up a lot of great questions that i haven’t yet considered. I don’t have answers. Only a continued belief in the power of storytelling. And the hope that some day Elias will be his own author. And that I’ll eventually have more answers than questions, or at least a balance between the two. Thanks for this provocative post, Christy
March 13th, 2007 at 1:04 pm
Hmmm. You know recent events on boards that I frequent have made me more wary of the posting of truly personal information & of picture posting. That said, most of those who visit my blog are friends & families and I feel more comfortable there. Not sure why as it is a public forum. Still I try to be sparing in my use of photos. No real answer. Just blathering on.
March 13th, 2007 at 5:26 pm
Congrats on the well deserved recognition. I am certain more is coming your way as you are a great and thoughtful writer.
I’m so glad to have discovered you!
OTJ
March 14th, 2007 at 2:40 am
Wow! While I knew that a blog was like a website, anyone could look at it, I never considered the potential repercussions of that. This is something I’ll have to reconsider and chat with W about. I think for starters I will at least change the name of my blog to be a little more anonymous. Thanks for the heads up Bon. And congrats on your award.
March 14th, 2007 at 2:49 am
A little more thinking has me worried, but not wanting to stop. I started this blog to have a record of important memories for the kids. If I stop posting photos the memories aren’t as good (especially if you’re image challenged like me and think in words). I think I may consider changing the security setting on my blog to only allow people I invite. Problem is that setting still allows blog authors on the same site (Blogspot.com) to view, so what’s the point?
March 14th, 2007 at 7:23 am
Thanks for stopping by my site!
This is a great post. I’ve thought a lot about privacy as well. I use a bit of an “abstraction layer” - blurring our names and exact location, but a close reader could find us. My family reads the blog for the latest cute baby stories, but I don’t tell people at work about it. Hard to say what is going to be ok or not.
March 14th, 2007 at 12:15 pm
i’m fascinated by the responses…and worried that maybe i’ve given some folks the impression that maybe they should be hiding their kids from the sickos online.
to me, blogs are obviously, inherently internet media, and in our culture of fear we’re over-inundated with visions of our children being stolen by crazy online perverts. but 99% of children who have anything abusive or perverted happen to them have it done at home, by close friends and family members. i don’t think having people able to see pics of your kids particularly puts them at risk…that’s not at all what i’m trying to suggest. what i’m asking is “did you think about this? if so, why did you make the choices you did?”…not suggest at all that the choices anyone’s made were poor ones.
i started my blog partly as a way of collecting memories for O, and partly as a way of communicating with friends & family…so complete anonymity didn’t work for me. and i think that hiding all pictures of kids for fear of some pervert seeing those pics as sexual buys into the fucked up idea that kids’ photos ARE inherently sexual…which seems to be the direction we’re heading in society simply by default. if everybody locks up their childrens’ photos for fear of those photos being sexualized, then kid photos become a rarity and also a fetish item which then EVERYONE begins to see as somehow tainted with the potential of sexuality. very bizarre. and i don’t want to contribute to it, so i will keep posting photos. plus, as another poster pointed out, are we going to refuse to allow our kids to have their pic in the local paper? what’s the difference? just our concept (built on hysterical media) of what a scary place the internet is.
what i’m wondering about more is…in what way do you think blogging about our kids changes the usual boundaries of privacy/consent between parents and children? is it one thing to tell cute stories to friends, and another to publish them to the world? is there an age (for the child) at which that becomes not so okay?
March 15th, 2007 at 3:46 am
I made the conscious choice to anonymize my blog to the extent practical. For instance, I’m open about where we live, what our interests are, and where we go because I like to talk about those things, and the blog is a great place for me to write about all the local resources, museums, and just plain interesting places that we discover. I like to talk about our adventures, and I would be thrilled to meet up with other bloggers in public places like those, where thousands of people cross paths every day anyway. But because of that (and for professional reasons), I keep names out of it. There are no names on my blog, not me, not my husband, not my kids, and not even my friends or their friends. Everyone gets a nickname. Paranoid? Maybe. But I don’t think so. Oddly, hiding our names and pictures of my firstborn gives me the freedom to talk openly and honestly about the rest of our lives. I did break policy by posting pictures of the newborn. But I figure all newborns look alike, and I’ll stop very soon, when his face changes again, as newborns do.
Congratulations on the Thinking Blogger award! You *definitely* deserve it — and I love this series of posts!
March 16th, 2007 at 11:24 pm
I was more freaked out about this when I started than I am now. I go with nicknames, the idea being that nobody who googled me or my kids would automatically land on my site. Like Lady M, I’m sure that anyone reading my blog who wanted to find me could do so.
I don’t really buy into the idea that our children are somehow entitled to keep their baby stories (and photos) private. Parents have been embarrassing their children for centuries, and strangers on the internet are far less significant, privacy-wise, than friends or prospective dates.
I’m also skeptical about the idea that schoolyard name-calling is going to revolve around the fact that someone used to wear diapers and barf. There are far easier and effective ways of making a classmate miserable than looking up ancient dirt on them on the internet.