Tue 24 Jul 2007
free speech for all
Posted by bon under issue stuff, mama-baby stuff
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i’ve been talking to Oscar since before he was born…nattering on, internally and out loud, telling him about the colour of the walls and the name of the kitty and what mummy would really like to be doing instead of laundry. much of which i would never dare repeat here, for fear of y’all’s virgin ears and such (and pesky local laws), but O keeps my secrets safe as houses.
’til now.
it’s started. he’s begun to communicate. and worse better (jury’s still out) not only communicate, but comprehend. the child clearly understands every frigging word i say. i say, “Oscar, where’s Oscar’s nose?” – he touches that fat little button. uh huh. i say, “Oscar, where’s mama’s ear?” – and fumbling little fingers try to tear my earring from its fleshy nest. i say, “Oscar, bring mama the bunny” – i gets me a bunny. (or he ignores me completely. but that’s inherited from his father, i think, and not a sign – at least in his progenitor’s case – that he doesn’t know the words i’m using.)
all of these are good things. exciting. but sometimes i don’t say, “Oscar, show mama the book” or “where are your toes?” or “give me a hug, lovey.” nope, those fine phrases are barely the cream off our one-sided chatter of habit here. under the cream, habit being what it is, are also the phrases of an, erm, slightly tempermental grown woman with a mouth like a sailor who hasn’t been allowed around speaking-aged children in over a decade. i, um, swear. a lot.
my ongoing prattle is full of interjections like “sweet merciful Jeebus, you goddam f$&*%^ing cat stop biting my ankles!” (in the house, when Clementine is feeling frisky) or “eat my ass, lady!” (in the car, when addled fellow driver cuts me off or forgets use of signal light) or simply “shite” (as adjective or expletive, most of the rest of the day). those and other colourful expressions not necessarily fit for the consumption of wee folk have been an all-too regular part of my daily discourse for a very long time. i think it started out of a combined love of language and desire to be very very unladylike. now, while i still love flavourful language and delight in the way a good curse rolls off my tongue, i think perhaps it’s time to rein myself back in a bit. because Oscar’s word for the cat, at the moment, sounds something like “ffffff.” and i’m thinking that’s not a lack of phonetic grasp on his part, but a reflection of what he may believe kitty’s name to actually be.
so, i’m probably unfit to be a parent and you’re all shaking your heads in shock right now, tsk-tsking and whispering “but she seemed almost nice!” yeh, well fuck off. i’m really very upstanding, and it’s just a sign of my great piety (snort) that the name of the lord is never far from my lips, okay?
but i’m not sure that speaking like me will get Oscar invited to any birthday parties.
so if any kind soul out there is nodding her head, thinking “i too have (or had!) a potty mouth, and have advice to offer this poor wayward soul before her son’s first clear word comes out as ‘cocksucker’”…please share. do i wash my own mouth out with soap, or what? do i just tape “good golly” and “my stars and whiskers” all over the walls until they start to sink in and infiltrate my deeper mind? do i say “blow this” and risk O sounding like a Tarantino film extra by the time he’s in kindergarten?
how does swearing happen or not happen in your house?
gimme some f^$*ing halp, here, people.




July 24th, 2007 at 1:07 am
it would be easier to pick out the words that aren’t swearing….
July 24th, 2007 at 1:09 am
Ha! Your cat has the same name as mine, almost: she’s “Jesus Christ Lulu!” or “For God’s sake Lulu!” or “Shut the hell up Lulu!” and we’ve been noticing the same comprehension in Munchkin.
Uh-oh.
Pynchon and I gave up swearing cold turkey: we have an old milk jar upon which we taped a sign saying ‘Curses for Cuba!’ before our Cuba trip (now it says ‘Curses for College!’) and we plunk A WHOLE DOLLAR in every time we swear (we have a list of approved and verboten words–this is key, or you’ll spend all of your time bickering, and this doesn’t help your language to improve …)
I found I was swearing a lot in front of my students, not even intentionally. And so. The swear jar.
Good luck …
July 24th, 2007 at 1:18 am
I was nodding my head right up until the advice part. Got nothing but my trucker tongue to contribute. And an awareness that Swee’pea will soon say something very colourful in front of Granny.
July 24th, 2007 at 1:35 am
Ah, my soul sister. I could have written this post.
I just try really hard not to swear or take a name in vain, but it happens, and when it does I try not to make a big deal out of it, lest my children get a rise out of my reaction. I learned that lesson the hard way with Julia.
July 24th, 2007 at 2:01 am
Let’s see.
First of all, this:
(or he ignores me completely. but that’s inherited from his father, i think, and not a sign – at least in his progenitor’s case – that he doesn’t know the words i’m using.)
My hubs too! Ben too! They ignore me all the time! It drives me batshit crazy!
Second: This is one I think you gotta learn by doing. The first time O. repeats a swear word, you will be so horrified that you will be very, very good for a long time. And then, when you’re starting to fall off the wagon, O. will say another (worse) swear word. And shock will shut your mouth right up. And so on.
Or, you can do what I do, which is say, “Uh, Ben, Jack? What I just said to that driver? You shouldn’t say it, and I shouldn’t have said it. OK?”
And then they laugh at me.
July 24th, 2007 at 2:13 am
hmmm…a swear jar will leave me penniless in mere weeks. but if i put the funds towards chocolate…evil genius, Mimi. i like!
of course that would take all the competition fun – not to mention the collaboration of working together towards a common family goal – out of it. but i’d beat Dave’s ass at swearing any day, so the competition would be a little like having him pat me on the head repeatedly, just to patronize my little bad habit.
perhaps i’ll just start swearing more in other languages – Slovak, Inuktitut, Korean…i’m fluent in filth in all three.
it’s not like where i live is so amazingly multicultural that many toes are likely to be tread upon, alas.
July 24th, 2007 at 2:17 am
erm…to be more clear and grammatic-like – it’s not that i WANT to tread on the toes of those who speak languages other than English. rather, the ‘alas’ was meant to qualify the relative whitebreadness and thus lack of toes to tread upon with my non-English epithets.
but it raises the question…why bother, then, really? if a mom swears in a forest, does anybody hear?
July 24th, 2007 at 2:27 am
We still swear around The Poo (alert CPS) and she is a total mockingbird. But she never repeats the bad ones, and on the rare occasion she does, we tell her those are grown-up words for mommies and daddies.
Yeah, just wait til she says f**k in preschool in the fall.
I think I just figured out that we have a bad strategy!
July 24th, 2007 at 2:28 am
well, if you swear in a forest, you hear yourself and that’s worth something. I’ve mastered silently swearing, it’’s not a relieving as letting it fill the room, but when you have a kid who is willing to tell shopkeepers what kind of cereal mom ate for breakfast and another who will shout “good job mommy on the potty” whenever he hears a flush, it’s better safe than sorry. Of course, LP says fuck, but he is referring to the larger vehicles on the roads, otherwise we are pretty much cuss free- well, except for last Christmas when my hungry 7 year old who had opened all his gifts told me that he was having a really hard day. I looked him straight in the face and told him that was crap and sent him to bed till dinner was ready. Happy times, although he was actually delighted to get away from it all and came out chipper as anything ready to eat half a turkey all his veg and cookies too!
I miss cussing….
July 24th, 2007 at 2:31 am
Oh funny, funny! I have been known to let loose on the language here and there and indeed, you do foresee well, as once they are able to latch onto a good word, THEY WILL. Case in point: the other night, both myself and Dear Husband used the word ‘Dammit’ oh so lovingly in our home; not an hour later did Finn throw it out there, ‘Damm-it’ after he peed on the floor. How does one not laugh? We quickly turned the table around and declared the proper word is DONUT. Yes, Finn, you misheard us: DONUT. He seemed to like that. You should consider this tactic too. When you come up with an entire remade catchy phrase for all your combined expletives, let me know
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July 24th, 2007 at 2:43 am
My f@ckin’ hole is sweetenin’ up with soap but it’s still a long ways from Presbyterian. Take for example when I bought “snack” bags instead of “sandwich” bags by mistake a couple of weeks ago. Miss M spend 10 full minutes intoning “dumb ass bags! dumb ass bag!” Ahem. But I swear (pun?) that I have improved since last fall when it was clear the girl’s language skills would soon out-strip mine.
As a side comment, I need to say this. Ooooooooo, early language acquisition. One of my favourite developmental stages to date. Enjoy.
July 24th, 2007 at 2:57 am
when my daughter was two she asked while in the car, “where the f— we going?” After that i stopped the f word cold (in their presence). I still say sh– and bi— and damn.
i am horrible, but i have never heard her say any of these things since. she knows i am old school that way and would be beyond mad.
i am mean, too.
July 24th, 2007 at 12:08 pm
After eight years, I pretty much have it licked, although the second my kids go to bed I sound like a trucker, what with all of the pent-up words.
Some people I know have found substitute swear words hilariously comforting. One dad I know says “CHEESE AND CRACKERS!”, which is very Ned Flanderish of him. (and am I married to him? I might be.)
July 24th, 2007 at 12:44 pm
The sheer embarrassment of having Sam’s preschool teacher tell me about his time-out for muttering, “Jesus Christ!” was enough for me to try to put a full stop to the swearing and bad language. I still slip up, but Sam has a remarkable ability to insert non-offensive phrases for my offensive ones. “Holy crap” becomes “holy moly” when he repeats it. “Jesus Christ” becomes “Geez.” I think he learned it from me saying bad words and then saying, “Sam, don’t say what mommy says, I have a BAD mouth.” I’m SO grateful he listened.
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July 24th, 2007 at 1:50 pm
Bossy, curse? No Fucking way.
July 24th, 2007 at 1:53 pm
Found you at redneck mommy, was curious about fellow east coaster. Funny stuff.
One morning after I’d reminded handsome hubby for the third time to take out the garbage I muttered (under my breath, I thought) “jesus christ, honey”. My not-quite-two-year-old piped up loud and clear – “jesus christ, daddy!”
He’s also dropped the f-bomb. In front of my mother. Fortunately she cusses like a sailor (I learned from the best) so all she did was damn near strangle from the effort of not reacting.
All you can do is practice. And when you do get some time alone, cuss your damn fool head off to keep your brain from exploding.
July 24th, 2007 at 2:43 pm
My family is almost a lost cause. The Boy has found it hilarious to teach the baby swears that aren’t really swears. Now the baby goes around calling people ASS all the time. OR the baby thinks that the boy’s name is ASS and he is always trying to get his attention.
We tried a swear jar once but it was impossible to have company over because everyone my husband knows has trucker mouth. Either way my family is no help at all.
July 24th, 2007 at 2:49 pm
heh.
We’re not looking forward to school, let’s put it that way. I’ve pretty much got it licked, but their father, who acts like a 14 year old boy when it comes to swearing, still thinks it’s totally funny.
While the occasionally “mo fo” is amusing, constant swearing just isn’t what I want my kids doing. It seems so….trashy…
So, crossing fingers that we fix this before school.
July 24th, 2007 at 2:55 pm
I am no help. I can’t stop swearing.
July 24th, 2007 at 3:09 pm
My co-workers all swear like sailors (though why sailors? are they particularly renowned for their foul-mouthedness? or is it just the alliteration?), so, at least at work, I make some effort to use stronger language than I otherwise would. Ah, peer pressure.
July 24th, 2007 at 3:20 pm
We swear. Quite a bit, although I do find myself saying “criminy!” a lot more. We have friends with school age kids who swear also. What they told their kids is that there are certain words which are not bad, but that can hurt people’s feelings. These words are only to be used in the house, not with their friends, not in school, not in front of their friends’ parents. Because that would not be appropriate. Apparently, these kids get it and don’t swear in school or in fron of other parents.
I have another friend with a mouth like a sailor – hey, she was in the Navy!- who tells her kids they can swear when they’re old enough to get a tatoo (18). She said is sounds terrible when kids swear, so “knock it off!” That works well, and her kids listern to her (she’s pretty stern).
July 24th, 2007 at 3:33 pm
I clear out a room of sailors when I get going so I’m no help.
Is it enough to know that you’re not alone?
July 24th, 2007 at 4:24 pm
We have a point system, the hubby and I, and any adult visitors. You swear in front of Tinkerbell or the baby, you get a point. When an odious task, usually cleaning up something nasty, arises, whoever has the most points has to do it. The combination of competitiveness and avoidance of cat vomit has nearly cured me.
July 24th, 2007 at 4:48 pm
I use my blog for all my swearing. Of course, that’s not entirely true…but I’m trying to quiet the sailor inside of me!
July 24th, 2007 at 5:02 pm
haha!! i too have a severe case of guttermouth… but i don’t have a “learning to speak” child so i can swear all i effing want!!
you could try cursing in a language other than english… that way even if the boy grows up to have the mouth of his mother, at least he’ll be multilingual… right???
July 24th, 2007 at 5:49 pm
My husband and I aren’t too bad with the swearing, I have to say but we are bad with the “damn” word and the “stupid” word (isn’t that awful) and have to really bite our tongues. It’s interesting to have to explain proper and improper uses of the word “stupid” to a small child…
July 24th, 2007 at 6:05 pm
Baaahaaaa! I can laugh with you because my oldest picked up the delightful phrase “ass clown” from riding in the car with Mommy driving. I’ve started to substitute words now. I saw farg instead of fuck, shirtsleeves instead of shit – except it sounds more like “sssshhhhhiiiiirtsleeves!” I’m still very bad with the borderline words – damnit, stupid, moron, etc… You get the idea! It should be interesting when Hollis starts preschool in the Fall!
July 24th, 2007 at 7:57 pm
I’m not sure I can be of much help being that I swear like an effing truck driver!!
I have trained myself to say “shite” instead of shit, although some might argue that it’s no better.
Other than that, I’ve become the queen of “quickly change the subject” after blurting out a mother-fucker here and there, only to hear my 3 year old ask me “Mama, what’s a mother-fucker?” … my reply? “Hey, V! Look at that big truck over there! Look! Look! Look!”
July 24th, 2007 at 8:46 pm
When I was pre-verbal and colicky, Dad used to sing me to sleep with songs with questionable lyrics and content. When I got closer to understanding language fully, he stopped. But one night, after I was able to speak, he sang the first line of “The North Atlantic Squadron” and I sang back the second, after not having heard it for months, not since before I could say anything at all. None of my younger sibs got sung to sleep with anything but nice songs.
July 24th, 2007 at 10:07 pm
i am hopeless at it too. it might be easier to convince the rest of the world that there is nothing wrong with childhood swearing.
July 25th, 2007 at 1:11 am
If you figure this one out, PLEASE let me know. I posted my plea for advice on this topic (http://sangsterrific.blogspot.com/2007/04/little-cuss.html) a while ago, but I still haven’t figured it out.
July 25th, 2007 at 1:36 am
Oh the swearing has yet to end around here. It’s not on purpose though. I’ve tried to cut-it-out…only do it when he’s not in an ear’s shot.
It’s bad when your (now) 5 year old yells out F*CK in the backyard for all our VERY CLOSE neighbors to hear as he misses hitting the ball!
July 25th, 2007 at 2:24 am
I don’t swear much, and hubby even less, but of course, kids pick up on vehement use of words, regardless of how often you use them. Our five year old will say “st..” for stupid and “d..” for dumb, knowing that he will get in trouble for using those words. He does however love to tease me about one time he caught me cursing and misheard what I said: “Mommy, remember the time you wwere putting my seatbelt on, and you were standing outside the car, and Pop Pop started to drive the car before you could finish and you said ‘holy ships’? That was funny.”
July 25th, 2007 at 4:59 am
well, this pulled me out of lurkdom! when you get the magic answer, let me know, b/c my pottymouth is not a good match with my kid who repeats everything i say! i guess i am doing the best i can to curb my language, and when it comes up i’ll let her know those are grown up words, like grown up drinks. did i mention she knows “mommy’s beer” is something i drink in the evenings? fan-effing-tastic.
a couple of weeks ago my MIL was in town and one night she excitedly told us that pnut knew that the cross she wears means “Jesus.” now, pnut is no stranger to church, etc, but we were skeptical that she could associate the symbol with the man at the ripe old age of two. i mean, really. my husband said, well, she hears his name often enough in this house, in a way to avoid the topic, and maybe make his mom happy that we are teaching our kid our faith. all i could think was “thank god she didn’t finish his full name. my MIL would have dropped dead to hear her grandaughter say jesus f*cking christ!”
July 25th, 2007 at 2:21 pm
My daughter thinks crap is a very bad word… but to my horror… she always refers to it as the ‘c’ word…
So, one day we were talking to the butcher and my daughter blurts out…My daddy uses the ‘c’ word all the time….
Now,I do not know about you… But I think of a different word as the ‘C’ word…
So, now the Butcher, as well as the rest of the neighbourhood thinks my husband uses the ‘C’ word ALL the time… and I guarantee they do not think it is the word… crap….
July 25th, 2007 at 2:58 pm
I’ll lend you my almost eleven year old. She has taken it upon herself to curb me of my decidedly trucker-like ways. She admonishes me when ever I drop the f-bomb, asks me to apologize if I take a name in vain and if I say “Shite!” she looks at me with angel eyes and asks if I meant to say “crud” instead.
Fuck no! I meant shit!! All of this proprietary from a darling little girl who used to go around at age two and yell out “Peckerhead!” whenever her dad walked into the room…no matter if her grandparents or the local pastor were present.
But my favorite memory is when she walked up to my daddy and asked him if he would like a boot up his ass when she was two.
He didn’t but I almost got one up MINE for teaching her potty language.
Apparently though, that apple has rolled far from the tree and has become the potty-mouthed police.
May O reform you as well as my daughter is so desperately trying to do with me…
July 25th, 2007 at 3:15 pm
Yeah, I’m no help. Mr Earth is always reminding me to curb the Swear Bear tendencies. Thanks to me, the Boy yells at the cat every time he sees her (No, Willow, STOP!), and says OMIGOD way too many times for comfort. I’ve tried to keep the worst words at bay till after bedtime, but stuff just keeps leaking out.
If you find a solution, lemme know.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:02 pm
you guys crack me up. apparently female bloggers are a foul-mouthed lot, from the enthusiastic response i’ve gotten on this. nice to know i’m not alone.
and Redneck Mommy…see that’s why i’m afraid to get any more tattoos. i don’t want to drive Oscar to the only form of rebellion available to a kid of a bad-ass like my secret inner soul swears i oughtta be – he might turn into Michael J. Fox.
and Pendullum – y’know, i don’t think of ‘crap’ as the ‘c-word’ either. i quite enjoy spouting a juicy ‘c-word’ when i’m inordinately pissed, frankly, but ‘crap’ is not what issues from my mouth. except in my dear mother’s subjective view.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:04 pm
Oh, I just read your last comment and that is my one of my biggest fears – raising a kid whose rebellion entails going right instead of left.
But, for what it’s worth, we try not to swear around Mme L, but we’ve also agreed that we will tell her that she can use those words at home, in context, and that while directing them at a person (calling someone a bitch) is unacceptable, saying shit when you stub your toe is understandable.
We have had some amusing moments, though, when it was clear that she had picked up “Oh, shit” from us (again, not reacting is good advice), but the kicker came when she started saying “Christ.” Totally out of context. “Mama, is that a ladder?” “Yup, honey, that’s a ladder.” “Oh, Christ.”
July 27th, 2007 at 4:02 pm
Funny. I agree with what Beck pronounced. After the kiddies are tucked in, I let it flow. Like, I have to make a phone call to one of my best friends so we can “empty out” the bad-word filter before the next day. It is quite frightening, or sombering, or just plain shocking to hear those big words come from little mouths, and SM is right, after a couple of times of oops moments…the ability to hold it in comes a bit more easily–probably at the idea of the massive embaressment that could lie ahead. Of course, I have the hardest time controlling my urge to throw around the words in the car–what with all the idiots on the road, naturally. Because it is always their fault.