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		<title>By: radical mama</title>
		<link>http://cribchronicles.com/2007/09/13/just-a-statistic/comment-page-1/#comment-51318</link>
		<dc:creator>radical mama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 00:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;now, i wonder if young parenthood - particularly without the status and perceived stability of traditional marriage - isn’t perceived as a bit of a ghetto, particularly for those with only a high school education?&quot;

I think this is a good point. I was pregnant at 21 and I was treated pretty terribly by perfect strangers for being young, unmarried, and knocked up. 

That being said, I am a great mom and my kids are the best things that have happened to me in my life. 

And THAT being said, being a young mom is very isolating. I can&#039;t relate to people my age who are still at the bar every night and I can&#039;t relate to other moms who are mostly 10+ years older than me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;now, i wonder if young parenthood &#8211; particularly without the status and perceived stability of traditional marriage &#8211; isn’t perceived as a bit of a ghetto, particularly for those with only a high school education?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think this is a good point. I was pregnant at 21 and I was treated pretty terribly by perfect strangers for being young, unmarried, and knocked up. </p>
<p>That being said, I am a great mom and my kids are the best things that have happened to me in my life. </p>
<p>And THAT being said, being a young mom is very isolating. I can&#8217;t relate to people my age who are still at the bar every night and I can&#8217;t relate to other moms who are mostly 10+ years older than me.</p>
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		<title>By: Redneck Mommy</title>
		<link>http://cribchronicles.com/2007/09/13/just-a-statistic/comment-page-1/#comment-51273</link>
		<dc:creator>Redneck Mommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Picking on us Albertans eh, Bon? You&#039;re just jealous that our province is practically supporting the rest of the country with our bounty of wealth.

Wink, wink.

I had my daughter when I was 20, married at 21 and a few months later gave birth to my son. I was sooooo young. While I love my husband beyond reason, I often wonder what would have happened if we had chose to wait to marry...and just kept procreating. Snicker.

I hope my own kids wait a bit longer before getting married, but I would certainly support them if they chose to walk the same path their parents did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Picking on us Albertans eh, Bon? You&#8217;re just jealous that our province is practically supporting the rest of the country with our bounty of wealth.</p>
<p>Wink, wink.</p>
<p>I had my daughter when I was 20, married at 21 and a few months later gave birth to my son. I was sooooo young. While I love my husband beyond reason, I often wonder what would have happened if we had chose to wait to marry&#8230;and just kept procreating. Snicker.</p>
<p>I hope my own kids wait a bit longer before getting married, but I would certainly support them if they chose to walk the same path their parents did.</p>
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		<title>By: daisies</title>
		<link>http://cribchronicles.com/2007/09/13/just-a-statistic/comment-page-1/#comment-51249</link>
		<dc:creator>daisies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>25 felt young to me because i was still in university and though most of the people we knew were married, no-one had babies ... throughout my son&#039;s schooling, it seemed as though most of the parents were at least 10 years older than me ~ most of our friends started having kids in their thirties so my experience and perspective is shaped by that ....

though ... i was talking to my 18 year old niece over the summer and she has tons of friends the same age who already have babies and she said she felt too young, like maybe she should wait a couple of years ... and then i remembered that in the town where i grew up most of the people i knew (well girls anyway) started having babies by the time they were 20, lots earlier and they were mostly wonderful mothers ~ it just wasn&#039;t for me and i guess i wanted a different life ...

though 25 still feels young to me ~ maybe i was immature because i don&#039;t have a sense that i knew who i was back then ... of course that&#039;s me looking back 10+ years ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>25 felt young to me because i was still in university and though most of the people we knew were married, no-one had babies &#8230; throughout my son&#8217;s schooling, it seemed as though most of the parents were at least 10 years older than me ~ most of our friends started having kids in their thirties so my experience and perspective is shaped by that &#8230;.</p>
<p>though &#8230; i was talking to my 18 year old niece over the summer and she has tons of friends the same age who already have babies and she said she felt too young, like maybe she should wait a couple of years &#8230; and then i remembered that in the town where i grew up most of the people i knew (well girls anyway) started having babies by the time they were 20, lots earlier and they were mostly wonderful mothers ~ it just wasn&#8217;t for me and i guess i wanted a different life &#8230;</p>
<p>though 25 still feels young to me ~ maybe i was immature because i don&#8217;t have a sense that i knew who i was back then &#8230; of course that&#8217;s me looking back 10+ years &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bon</title>
		<link>http://cribchronicles.com/2007/09/13/just-a-statistic/comment-page-1/#comment-51084</link>
		<dc:creator>bon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 02:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ah hell, Thor, 25 is only young if you&#039;re Britney, apparently.  i married at the same age, and for what were perhaps similar reasons - in that time it seemed to me the boldest, bravest act of commitment i could dare make.  the fact that it didn&#039;t work out doesn&#039;t negate that for me...but in the same vein, given the cultural climate i&#039;ve chosen to live in, i think being UNmarried in this subsequent relationship in my 30s and having children together ends up being more radical...simply because my demographic norms have shifted.

Christy, i know a woman just like your cousin, whose firstborn - born when she was 17 - just turned 11 yesterday.  she&#039;s a fierce mama...and like most of us in any case, just doin&#039; the best she can.  but the young moms, i think, still have it waaaay harder than they would have 30 years ago - because their expectations &amp; role models are NOT the same, generally....and the isolation of parenthood is hard, even when not coupled with the defensive isolation of being part of a minimized discourse of family that is seldom accorded unquestioned respect, and the   literal isolation of not having access to decent-paying work anywhere in your legal future.

these are the things that make me sad for my young relatives having babies.  the rest? meh.  mostly a strange envy, because i do really think that the ten years i spent trying to construct meaning in life without kids will serve my children well in the long run...but mostly to me the choice is an abdication...i want to raise kids who know they matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ah hell, Thor, 25 is only young if you&#8217;re Britney, apparently.  i married at the same age, and for what were perhaps similar reasons &#8211; in that time it seemed to me the boldest, bravest act of commitment i could dare make.  the fact that it didn&#8217;t work out doesn&#8217;t negate that for me&#8230;but in the same vein, given the cultural climate i&#8217;ve chosen to live in, i think being UNmarried in this subsequent relationship in my 30s and having children together ends up being more radical&#8230;simply because my demographic norms have shifted.</p>
<p>Christy, i know a woman just like your cousin, whose firstborn &#8211; born when she was 17 &#8211; just turned 11 yesterday.  she&#8217;s a fierce mama&#8230;and like most of us in any case, just doin&#8217; the best she can.  but the young moms, i think, still have it waaaay harder than they would have 30 years ago &#8211; because their expectations &amp; role models are NOT the same, generally&#8230;.and the isolation of parenthood is hard, even when not coupled with the defensive isolation of being part of a minimized discourse of family that is seldom accorded unquestioned respect, and the   literal isolation of not having access to decent-paying work anywhere in your legal future.</p>
<p>these are the things that make me sad for my young relatives having babies.  the rest? meh.  mostly a strange envy, because i do really think that the ten years i spent trying to construct meaning in life without kids will serve my children well in the long run&#8230;but mostly to me the choice is an abdication&#8230;i want to raise kids who know they matter.</p>
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		<title>By: thordora</title>
		<link>http://cribchronicles.com/2007/09/13/just-a-statistic/comment-page-1/#comment-51007</link>
		<dc:creator>thordora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 20:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>25 is young? really? Cause man, I felt so bloody old at 25. I did what no one expected, considering my politics and attitudes-I married the man I loved at 19. For me, that was a radical act. Living together? Pshaw. That was normal. :)

I think what IS a lie is the nuclear family. How we became so fixated on it, I don&#039;t know. If it was the solution to all problems then hell, how&#039;d we end up with so many in the first place?

And I sit on the fence with teen mothers myself, sadly. I knew people in high school who had children and LOVED it-they wanted those children and went on to be incredible mothers. Why parenting, and mothering specifically, is the one job we think no kid would ever dare want is beyond me.

I didn&#039;t even notice the census was out though. Silly me. Haven&#039;t been watching the news much lately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>25 is young? really? Cause man, I felt so bloody old at 25. I did what no one expected, considering my politics and attitudes-I married the man I loved at 19. For me, that was a radical act. Living together? Pshaw. That was normal. :)</p>
<p>I think what IS a lie is the nuclear family. How we became so fixated on it, I don&#8217;t know. If it was the solution to all problems then hell, how&#8217;d we end up with so many in the first place?</p>
<p>And I sit on the fence with teen mothers myself, sadly. I knew people in high school who had children and LOVED it-they wanted those children and went on to be incredible mothers. Why parenting, and mothering specifically, is the one job we think no kid would ever dare want is beyond me.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t even notice the census was out though. Silly me. Haven&#8217;t been watching the news much lately.</p>
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		<title>By: daisies</title>
		<link>http://cribchronicles.com/2007/09/13/just-a-statistic/comment-page-1/#comment-50778</link>
		<dc:creator>daisies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 06:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol .... you may be right ... though i&#039;m happily doing my part to dispel stereotypes in tiny corners of the world ;-)

i had my son when i was 25 (eep ~ so young, so very very young) a happily married statistic that became a happily divorced statistic though we got to help pave co-parenting and friendly divorces and then i was happily unmarried co-habitating when i had my twins only to somehow manage to marry last year, you know in order to stay cool and separate from the herd ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol &#8230;. you may be right &#8230; though i&#8217;m happily doing my part to dispel stereotypes in tiny corners of the world ;-)</p>
<p>i had my son when i was 25 (eep ~ so young, so very very young) a happily married statistic that became a happily divorced statistic though we got to help pave co-parenting and friendly divorces and then i was happily unmarried co-habitating when i had my twins only to somehow manage to marry last year, you know in order to stay cool and separate from the herd ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Bon777</title>
		<link>http://cribchronicles.com/2007/09/13/just-a-statistic/comment-page-1/#comment-50722</link>
		<dc:creator>Bon777</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 03:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a note from one of the Cleavers...I was married at 20 (only ten years ago) and had my first planned baby just before my 21st birthday...I know that I am a freakish anomaly as I am not part of a cult and I chose my life freely...but I was ready, probably because of my upbringing, and I wouldn&#039;t change a thing...but I don&#039;t think that many women at that age can handle it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a note from one of the Cleavers&#8230;I was married at 20 (only ten years ago) and had my first planned baby just before my 21st birthday&#8230;I know that I am a freakish anomaly as I am not part of a cult and I chose my life freely&#8230;but I was ready, probably because of my upbringing, and I wouldn&#8217;t change a thing&#8230;but I don&#8217;t think that many women at that age can handle it.</p>
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		<title>By: LawyerMama</title>
		<link>http://cribchronicles.com/2007/09/13/just-a-statistic/comment-page-1/#comment-50686</link>
		<dc:creator>LawyerMama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 02:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, yeah, I mean to say &quot;becoming a mom at 20 or so&quot; not &quot;2 or so.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, yeah, I mean to say &#8220;becoming a mom at 20 or so&#8221; not &#8220;2 or so.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: LawyerMama</title>
		<link>http://cribchronicles.com/2007/09/13/just-a-statistic/comment-page-1/#comment-50685</link>
		<dc:creator>LawyerMama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 02:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hadn&#039;t heard, but I&#039;m living in a little US isolationist bubble.  Haven&#039;t you heard that all the planets revolve around us? LOL!

I shudder to think of myself becoming a mom at 2 or so, but then my mom had me when she was 22.  Times were different then though.  I think that emotionally many kids just aren&#039;t as mature.  I know I wasn&#039;t forced to be and so I wasn&#039;t.  But becoming a parent probably changes that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hadn&#8217;t heard, but I&#8217;m living in a little US isolationist bubble.  Haven&#8217;t you heard that all the planets revolve around us? LOL!</p>
<p>I shudder to think of myself becoming a mom at 2 or so, but then my mom had me when she was 22.  Times were different then though.  I think that emotionally many kids just aren&#8217;t as mature.  I know I wasn&#8217;t forced to be and so I wasn&#8217;t.  But becoming a parent probably changes that.</p>
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		<title>By: NotSoSage</title>
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		<dc:creator>NotSoSage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 01:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Way to kick it old school, there, Bon!  ;)

This was so lovely to read.  I&#039;ve noticed the media reports but have largely ignored them because I can&#039;t get over the sensationalism the media uses to spin it.  It reminded me of the time that some study predicted that Caucasians would be in the minority in big Canadian cities by 2015.  There was a creepy aura of panic about it that pissed me off.  I mean, it&#039;s perhaps interesting from a demographic perspective, but why is that big news?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way to kick it old school, there, Bon!  ;)</p>
<p>This was so lovely to read.  I&#8217;ve noticed the media reports but have largely ignored them because I can&#8217;t get over the sensationalism the media uses to spin it.  It reminded me of the time that some study predicted that Caucasians would be in the minority in big Canadian cities by 2015.  There was a creepy aura of panic about it that pissed me off.  I mean, it&#8217;s perhaps interesting from a demographic perspective, but why is that big news?</p>
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