Wed 16 Jul 2008
such sweet sorrow
Posted by bon under mama-baby stuff, pondering stuff
just before bed, every night, with Oscar all cozy under his blanket and his baby doll and stuffed rabbit in his arms, we read Guess How Much I Love You or Goodnight Moon or some other board book with little animals heading to bed. the Boynton one if he’s particularly giggly, the “goodnight little mouse” one if he’s been sad and needs a little extra last bit of sweetness to carry him off to sleep.
tonight, though, i left the animals behind, went for a slightly bigger book, thinking we’d change it up a bit, read something we’d never read before.
this moment of parenting genius didn’t precisely result in a bedtime story, per se, but in Oscar’s mother’s total breakdown into a hulking, gasping, weeping mass of snivelling snot.
i tried to read him The Giving Tree. aloud.
there was snorting and nose-wiping, then whole pages read in hoarse whispers with long pauses between sentences as i attempted to collect myself. then outright sobbing and honking. night night, honey. mummy’s just going to go bawl/collapse/slit her wrists now. a comforting picture, i think. just what the toddler set needs before sleepytime.
i knew better. the very first time i read The Giving Tree was to a class of kindergarten kids. i was a green young childcare worker who’d never seen the book before, but thought the line drawing of the tree on the cover compelling. i picked it off a shelf, perched in the middle of a semicircle of four year olds and proceeded…and then collapsed into a sobbing heap halfway through, gulping “and the tree…blubber…heave…loved the BOY!!!” until little hands were reaching out to pat me and mercifully, the damn story was over.
apparently the fifteen years in the interim haven’t toughened me up any.
it’s a confusing book. it troubles me. the tree in its welcoming vulnerability breaks my heart, and the presentation of the boy - who is “the boy” throughout, though he becomes an old man before the story is ended - seems intentionally pitiless, leaving room for one to wonder if perhaps if the tree hadn’t been so goddam selfless if the boy might have treated her better in the first place. i have never figured out if Silverstein meant it as a paean to the love that marks parenthood at its best, or a cautionary tale about sparing the rod…or even if it might not be about parenthood at all, but about love and forgiveness and human-ness in general. the story is flawed, i think, but i cannot figure out exactly where. and yet, in the way it encapsulates what it is to love and the need to love, the satisfaction and sorrow in loving for its own sake, it is also one of the most melancholically beautiful books i have ever read. i bought it for Oscar for his first Christmas and inscribed it so, though i knew we were years from reading it together.
we are, apparently, still years from reading it together, unless i want to spring for therapy for post-traumatic-bedtime-syndrome.
what i want to know is, if you’re familiar with the book, what do you make of it? can you actually read it aloud without melting into a puddle? if so, are you simply made of stone or are there other books you can’t get through without boohooing like a faucet?
i think tomorrow we’ll return to the Boynton books. or maybe Long Day’s Journey into Night, or something cheery.













July 16th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
I can make it through the book aloud without boo-hooing, but, then, I have been called stoic. Also, I have not attempted to read it to any child, including my own 14 month old, since he was born. Things may have changed now. When I first read “Love You Forever” to my newborn son, I lost it, but I blame that on the hormones because last time I picked it up (it makes its rounds about once a week or so at bedtime), I couldn’t get over how cheesy and creepy (a grown woman sneaking into her grown son’s house to rock him while he’s asleep?) it was. Maybe my heart is made of stone.
As for “The Giving Tree,” I have similar issues to yours. I have always found “the boy” very selfish, but I also think the tree is “enabling” the boy to be that selfish. But then again, I’m an English nerd by trade, so maybe I’m reading too much into it.
July 16th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
I am losing my mind, or, at least, my memory. This happened to me fairly recently, and for the life of me I can’t tell you what book it was. Though I am fairly confident it was an Old Country book.
July 16th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
My thoughts on it are much like yours. Sometimes I weep and sometimes I’m furiously angry at the boy for all the taking.
July 16th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
I’ve never read this book, though I have heard a lot about it. Now that you’ve written about it, I’m going to have to put it on my list.
July 16th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
I love that book. It always makes me blubber too. I made my husband read it in the aisle at Target shortly after we had Bear and even he got emotional about it. I think its a beautiful, bare bones image of what parenthood is like from the parent’s perspective. Always giving. I also get sentimental about I’ll love you forever (http://www.rogerknapp.com/inspire/loveforever.htm) too. My mom bought me that book when I was 15 and we were having serious mother-daughter issues.
July 16th, 2008 at 10:33 pm
Never heard of this one. For me, it’s “Love You Forever.” You know that Robert Munsch wrote it as a tribute to his two stillborn children??
July 16th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
Love You Forever is the most hilariously creepy sentimenal bedtime story EVER, but I still have shed pathetic tears reading it. Giving Tree upsets me for the same reasons you stated. I am pleased that my children have recently requested only books describing the attributes of various superheroes, so I am spared the emotional tomfoolery of the bedtime standbys.
July 16th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
I’m afraid that book and I don’t get along well. I was first introduced to it by a friend who considered it misguided, and so I had a bias against it from the start. I never was able to read it or look at it without feeling angry, both at the boy and at the tree. At him for being so selfish and ungrateful, at the tree for allowing herself to be used up.
The kids’ book which causes me to choke up every time I read it is On the Day You Were Born, which was given to Phoebe as a birth present from my doula. It combines lyrical and somewhat melancholy prose with bright paper cut-out illustrations. I particularly like that it is full of references to natural and scientific phenomena, like gravity and the tides. What chokes me up, though, are the pages referencing birth itself, at the end of the book, and the welcome that the new baby receives. I can barely read the last words of the book out loud, at most managing a whisper, because I don’t want to dissolve into a puddle: “We’re so glad you’ve come.”
July 16th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
When I was in my first year Spanish course, we had to translate a children’s book and I chose The Giving Tree. My instructor sobbed - it was the first time actually she’d ever shown the slightest bit of humanity. I wasn’t sure then that I even liked the book, just chose it for some reason because it popped out on the shelf. I just didn’t like “the boy.” But I’m not sure now that I don’t. It confuses me.
There are certainly scenes in books that leave me in tears-Matthew Cuthbert’s death and Cedric Diggory’s (now I cry as soon as those chapters open). But sobbing over a book for kids that young, I haven’t encountered anything on the level of The Giving Tree.
July 16th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
I haven’t read The Giving Tree, although I’ve heard of it. Now, I want to take a look. The one that gets me is ‘Oh Baby, The Places You’ll Go.’ It’s a knock off of Seuss meant to be read to a baby while still inside mom. My kids love it and I simply cannot read the last page without my voice breaking.
July 16th, 2008 at 11:35 pm
Yes. That book breaks my heart.
That one, and The Velveteen Rabbit.
July 16th, 2008 at 11:39 pm
Oh dear, Bon. You remind me of two weeks ago when I sat down with my oldest kiddo on the couch and read this same story, and had to literally HIDE my tears as I explained it all to him in 4.5 year old-speak. It’s one of my all time favorite tales, and it gets me every time, too. Hugs to you dear one. You should really consult with us girlfriends before you venture out in such unknowns, LOL.
July 16th, 2008 at 11:42 pm
And to answer your end thought: I think it’s entirely about unconditional love. Depending on my mood, I can ‘read’ into it different ways. On the day I read it to my kiddo, I just didn’t have it in me to explain the depth to him. He sort of got it, and he knew it moved me. But had I let the tears all out, I wouldn’t have been able to explain just why…sometimes, quite frankly, I think the boy is not very nice. And Liam got that too. He kept on asking without much giving his whole life - yet the tree just gave and gave…it’s a hard thing to grapple with. But it’s part of the human way, I suppose.
July 17th, 2008 at 12:16 am
The Giving Tree has always really annoyed me. It just seemed to portray a dysfunctional relationship. Now that you suggest perhaps Silverstein could have meant it as a cautionary tale - that actually makes me willing to look at it again.
July 17th, 2008 at 12:17 am
I have always been bothered by both characters in the book, but I do think it is about uneven love that eventually comes to a place of rest. The tree is out of things to give but it is always able to give what the boy needs most. I think it is mostly about the cycle of life — aging, learning to appreciate love.
July 17th, 2008 at 12:35 am
I read this book to The May Queen last night, for the first time ever! We got it from the library, and I had remembered it as being sort of a sweet book about love, but I was struggling with the same things you are - the selfless love of the tree got her where? Ouch.
I love you forever, in all it’s cheesy glory, creates a lump in my throat every time, and Alena suggests On the Day you Were Born, which is also lovely. We have a book about baptism called Water Come Down which never fails to get me, too… about the cycle of water from clouds and rain to rivers, etc, and how we use it to welcome new babies… the whole world together..
excuse me as go get a tissue…
July 17th, 2008 at 3:42 am
I love the book, although it makes me bawl every time too. The boy is selfish - I think that’s the point. He makes choices to abuse the tree, a cautionary note to us all to be responsible for the things we demand or expect and to own the costs of our lives to the people / things around us. I also believe my early green-ness came from indignation for the tree. Possibly also the early seeds of feminism. Damn that mean boy!
I won’t be reading it aloud anytime soon though - you’re braver that I. Me blubbering = snotty puffy face and it tends to scare children.
One of my favourite books as a child is A Child’s Garden of Verses. I can still recite many of the poems, and loved to play them out for myself.
July 17th, 2008 at 9:06 am
@Fern,
“Love you forever” gets me too. Although it bothers me that the line goes “as long as I’m living, my baby you’ll be”, I intend to remain my children’s mother long after I’m gone.
Have not read the Giving Tree and by all accounts, will not now. I don’t want to need therapy for storytime either.
July 17th, 2008 at 10:43 am
This is one of many, many children’s books that–good or bad–are simply NOT written for children. They are written to evoke sentiment in the adults who read them. I resent them deeply for it.
Love You Forever
The Runaway Bunny
Guess How Much I Love You
I Love You Because You’re You
I once wrote a couple of posts about the first 3 on that list and titled the posts “Picture Books I Abhor.” All of them make me furious at a deep, deep level b/c I cannot read them without crying despite the fact that I find them trite and manipulative. I have yet to meet a kid who gets excited, really excited, about them.
Shel Silverstein is a great children’s poet, one of the best ever, but The Giving Tree, frankly, makes me feel a bit queasy.
Books about love for a child that I do like include: Little Gorrilla and Kiss, Kiss. If I think of more, I’ll let you know.
July 17th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Books like that are awesome for suggesting, casually, that my dad read aloud to The Baby and then just sitting back and laughing while he tries not to bawl. HAHAHAH!
Here’s my list:
Charlotte’s Web. GOOD GOD.
All The Places To Love
Jeremiah Learns To Read
… and there are others, but those are the three that are the best for making Grandpa read. HAHAHA.
July 17th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
don’t have the book on hand, but I remember liking the book very much. I thought it was about very selfless love, regardless of how one is treated. hmph.
And like so many others had mentioned, it is Robert Munsch’s “Love you Forever” that makes me bawl; I am not sure I have ever read it ONCE to my kids without breaking down. I don’t read that book to them often.
I did not know that Munsch wrote that book in memory of his two stillborn, gosh what a backstory! Now I’ll have to go dig that out…
Munsch has great stories… like “I Have To Go” and if you have a daughter, you gotta read “The Paper Bag Princess”. *grin*
We read Silverstein’s poems, “Hungry Mungry” is a fav.
Before this comment turns into a novel, I’m signing off. But first, a tissue and a hug to you.
July 17th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
Janis & Loribeth…yeh, Munsch’s “Love You Forever” made much more sense to me once i learned that he’d written it for the two children he and his wife lost…the creep factor is assuaged (at least for me) once i see the story as a projection of how those babies would’ve been loved rather than as literal.
Mad, i do agree, both “The Giving Tree” and “Love You Forever” aren’t really written for the kid audiences…i suppose “Guess How Much I Love You” would fit as well, though it doesn’t have the same wretched effect on me as the other two (and i don’t know the others you mentioned). i don’t mind that they’re sorta for the adults, b/c i see kids’ books as an exchange, that way…but the emotional manipulation makes them hard to share with kids. in a sense, i guess i see them both as testaments to love…more a philosophy encapsulated and open for discussion.
i realized reading Jo’s comment that maybe what i do love and value about the Giving Tree (for all it bugs me) is in its very sadness…if it IS about love and the human condition, its lesson is a very, very sad one. and yet somehow i think sad lessons are important, that sorrow and the possible loneliness of love are important for kids to know about. there is something in the deep, all alone part of me that weeps for the tree b/c i know that there will be times when i am the boy, and times when i am the tree, and such is life. but then i first read the book at twenty, not five, so whaddo i know?
July 17th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Isaac really likes “Love You Forever”, so occasionally I am called upon to read it. I am getting better at not sobbing although the first few times were hard slogging.
We’ll talk another day about watching Charlotte’s Web on a recent rainy Sunday. Isaac liked it because it had “a spider and a pig!” I went through half a box of Kleenex.
July 17th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
I was so relieved to read that you are just short of clear on Silverstein’s intentions and maybe that’s part of his brilliance. We are not all only good or bad, there are mixed intentions, even with those selfless. A confusing and yet, lovely and poignant story. One of my favorites.
Funny, I came across one of my other favorites by accident, pulling a book from the shelf to read to the group of four year old preschoolers I was teaching. Robert Munsch’s Love you Forever. Even in that first reading I sang the song and it has remained the way I sing it even ’til today which is about 10 years later. My children love it too and watch me cry as I sing the part of the son singing to his aged mother. Gifts, these books are.
July 17th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
yes–I sob at Giving Tree. When I was a kid though, I thought it was demented. I thought The Boy was a brat and a horrible person who never repented. (A child’s fundy view.)
I also sob through Steven Curtis Chapmans sappy Cinderella song–and did so before his dd was killed, which makes it exceptionally sad now.
The book that I didn’t expect to cry through was The day the Babies Crawled Away. I really can’t get trough it. It is beautifully illustrated and just so bittersweet. Or “happy sad” as Norah calls it.I read it to Norah when I was pregnant and now that she is a big girl I just cry and cry. Good thing its a library book or I’d be a mess. I don’t want to spoil the fun–just run out and get your own copy.
July 17th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Funny you should mention this now, as i just had the parallel experience. There is a book called ‘a dozen silk diapers’ which i bought for Alexander when he was young & could never make it through without crying. It’s a christmas story about a spider that makes diapers for Jesus as a gift. I don’t exactly know why it makes me cry. But we recently found it at my MIL’s and Chloe asked me to read it so i did. Total blubbering mess, she was just staring at me.
I can do ‘the Giving Tree’ without crying too much, for the most part. The ones that are on the top shelf & never read are “Love you forever” and “Goodnight moon”, those i can’t read for dead-baby reasons. (Goodnight moon because i read it hundreds of times to Alexander, know it by heart, and was so looking forward to reading it to Nicolas). “Where the wild things are” is difficult for me, too. I do think “guess how much i love you” is purely manipulative but i still can’t make it through that one either.
Gee, looking at my list, you would wonder that i can read *anything at all*.
July 17th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
Regardless of what audience the Giving Tree was written for, it was presented as a childrens book. To be shared with your kids. To the parents, we’ll give to our kids no matter what, to the kids, don’t be jerks.
Love You Forever can be, I suppose, as complicated as you want, or as simple as I will Love You Forever. That’s how I read it. Cuz I will.
Taken literally, I wouldn’t be much pleased with my mom sneaking into my house in the middle of the night. But anyhoo.
My favorite book (wrinkled and falling apart) is All the Pretty Horses, but I’m a horse loving farm kid….It has pretty pictures and makes sweet dreams.
July 17th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
I actually love that story. I always thought is was about loving your children unconditionally. But you’re right - I think the tree was a little too nice to the boy. By the end of the story, you kind of hate the boy for being so selfish. So, maybe the story is trying to teach children that even though their parents love them wholeheartedly, they should not be selfish assholes?
July 17th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
This is what we call the green book at our house. It was given to my daughter by her grandmother — a teacher by trade.
they each love it.
I leave it.
It is confusing. Mad has a powerful intellect in such matters, truly.
ps. as we used to say on the swings. get off my doorstep!! hee hee hee
July 17th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
I love, love you forever, and weep at it…as well as other Munsch books, but I don’t cry over the giving tree at all. To me it’s just a book?
July 17th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
We have all the Silverstein books, piled in a stack, and yet Bella is just getting enamored by the illustrations in “Where the Sidewalk Ends,” so we are perusing that of late. I haven’t read “Giving Tree” in ages, certainly not recently enough to provide any analysis.
But I will say, this post carried me to another book — Jon Muth’s “The Three Questions” which we bought the week Maddy was here (such fans were we of “Zen Tales”). We read it once to Bella, and then multiple times, in two NICU’s, to Maddy. And now I still struggle to make it through the story of saving the baby panda, the pointed explanation of the meaning of life, and most especially the last line: “This is why we are here.”
July 17th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
I haven’t read the book in ages, so I don’t remember if it made me bawl or not. But when our cat died I read _Cat Heaven_ to T. and I’m sure traumatized her for life by bawling through the whole thing.
July 17th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
We adore Sandra Boynton in our house.
I like the Giving Tree, but, yeah, something about it always bothered me too. I think partly what the book tries to do is just show all the life cycles, so to speak, of a tree and how it can be useful to people.
Probably songs more than books get me choked up.
July 17th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
The Giving Tree was a gift to our first born from my brother and his lovely partner. I was reduced to tears when I first read it to Isaac…I have not read it to my second child. I really liked what Emily said about the book being about the “cycle of life”. I dont like the thought of the book being used to caution parents about giving too much to their children or encouraging children to give back…rather than take what they need from their parents in order to become happy productive people. Maybe I feel this way because I’m an older parent and I am fervently hoping my children will be able to enjoy us, learn from us and then move on into the world and be happy individuals without needing us anymore. In any event, I find the book quite troubling.
July 17th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
I haven’t yet found a book that could make me cry. But we all know my heart is two sizes too small.
After reading that book, my son and I invented a sequel called Revenge of the Giving Tree. In our version, the boy was walking under another tree, which dropped a large and fatal branch directly on his head. Cue demonic laughter.
July 17th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
I challenge anyone to hold their newborn in their arms and read I Will Hold You ‘Til You Sleep without crying. Can’t be done.
July 17th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
Traci: I LOVE LOVE LOVE The Day The Babies Crawled Away. I even reviewed it on my blog at one point. It’s one of my absolute favourites. Give me Rathmann any old day. All her books rock the house.
July 17th, 2008 at 11:28 pm
Allow me to nerdily point to my review of The Day the Babies Crawled Away. A book that sophisticated needs a little air time b/c it really does blow something like Love You Forever out of the water.
http://madhattermommy.blogspot.com/2006/09/i-say-what-day_25.html
July 17th, 2008 at 11:53 pm
darling.
are you nuts?
That book and Guess How Much I Love You are expressly forbidden to any woman in a compromising hormonal situation.
July 18th, 2008 at 12:29 am
Wow it’s so great to hear people’s takes on “The Giving Tree” and all these other great books mentioned.
Personally, what I came away with after reading “The Giving Tree” when I was a child was that sense of sadness that you speak of. Having read it a little further down the track though, I think that what struck me most was not so much that the boy was unfathomably selfish, but that the tree was actually “happy”, even after having received what seems to us as “nothing”. It sort of made me review my definition of selflessness in the sense that, generally, when we talk of someone that is selfless, we kind of “expect” that because they have been so selfless they will be getting so much in return -it’s an almost implicit assumption. The book made me realise that it wasn’t about the tree giving “and” getting in return, but about the fact that it was “happy” in the act of giving. I can’t help but look at the story and see that it’s so much about the “tree” getting what it wants - in the end the boy sits tiredly on the tree’s stump, yet it’s the tree that, despite being a stump, is content - and ultimately, that was happiness, at a price that for most seems to much to bear. Is my perception a little skewed perhaps?
July 18th, 2008 at 6:18 am
That book, along with “Puff the Magic Dragon”–can’t do it, just cannot do it.
I often wonder about what he meant when he wrote it as well; perhaps that each of us should interpret it as we see fit?
July 18th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
I am all too prone to crying jags, which is why at bedtime I stick to tales such as The Belly Button Book and Fergus, No David and Happy Birthday Lulu.
July 19th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
God, I’m crying just thinking about it. Sometimes I spontaneously burst into tears when I’m singning munchkin her goodnight song, because it all seems so transitory to me. God. Wuss.
July 19th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
Confession: I hated that book as a child. Like you, it has always confused me. I have come to believe it is some sort of parable about parenting — but it strikes me as a depressing one.
July 20th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
The book makes me feel emplty. The tree gave everything of herself, and the boy did not ever groe up. He was always the boy. I do not expect a child to realize the world does not revolve around him, but it is so sad that as an adult he did not make it a two way relationship. But, as Anta said, maybe it is about how unconditional love does not need to be returned. It just is.
July 20th, 2008 at 6:38 pm
That’s a great book, but I agree that it is difficult to read it aloud. Our copy is in Spanish, which helps, since it creates a little buffer while my mind translates it into English. I do agree, though, that the story is somehow flawed. It is sacrificial love but is made ugly somehow by the boy not recognizing and expressing gratitude for the gifts he’s received. Some days I feel as a Mama I AM the giving tree, with my limbs all ripped off for children who forget to say thank you.
July 21st, 2008 at 5:46 pm
I love it. Love, love it. I used to read it to BubTar in-utero. I was a hormonal glutton for punishment, because the three I read to him regularly were The Giving Tree, The Velveteen Rabbit, and Love You Forever. Sob, sob.
July 21st, 2008 at 10:48 pm
I *love* The Giving Tree — to me, it’s about the unwavering love and support a parent gives to a child — and how in the end, if you’re lucky, you reach a point with your children where you can both just be yourselves. Nothing to give, nothing to take, just to *be*. I think it’s beautiful.
The other two that make me cry every time are “The Runaway Bunny” and — a new favorite — “You are my Miracle.” I found “You are my Miracle” a few years ago at Christmastime, and it literally had me bawling. I highly, *highly* recommend it for any new or expecting parent, as a Christmas gift. There is another one called “You are my I Love You” which isn’t Christmas themed, but not *quite* as tear-jerking.
“I am your parent, you are my child.
I am your quiet place, you are my wild …”
http://www.amazon.com/You-Miracle-Maryann-Cusimano-Love/dp/0399240373/ref=si3_rdr_bb_product
July 22nd, 2008 at 3:17 am
If I read it often, I can desensitize a little, but every time I pick it up again, I cry. Then my little girl asks why the man’s nose is so big and I’m fixed.
I am also torn on the message, the codependency. But I like what Mia said about them just being themselves in the end.
It IS a beautiful, confusing beautiful work.
July 22nd, 2008 at 8:09 pm
I can’t make it through “Guess How Much I Love You” or even freaking “Snuggle Puppy” without blubbering.
“Barnyard Dance” is one I can get through without bawling. That’s about it though. I just love having the opportunity to read to my child. That alone makes me weepy.
July 24th, 2008 at 12:54 am
I can’t get through I Love You Forever without tears. My 2 1/2 year old likes it when I sing it to him. I can’t even describe the book to people without crying–just the premise gets to me. Great post!
July 30th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
Hmm, I can’t stand this book, for reasons that have been mentioned (glorifying the tree’s giving away all of itself to someone who doesn’t appear to appreciate it much, never asking for or receiving anything in return, etc.) I haven’t read it in a long time, though, so maybe I would feel differently reading it again, this time as a mother of 3.
I’m currently enrolled at a Marist university (in Spain) and they have a whole series of paintings based on this book up on the walls along a corridor– and I think at the end there was something in the painting that made a reference to Christ (I don’t remember what it was.) I don’t know what Silverstein’s intentions were (though I’m guessing he’s Jewish, so probably not that) but one could certainly very easily read it as an allegory in that way, as well.