Mon 11 Aug 2008
what goes in must come out
Posted by bon under coping stuff, pregnancy stuff
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the longer this pregnancy continues with merciful uneventfulness, the more amazed i am. and the more nervous. a new and different low-grade panic wells up in my gut these days…not miscarriage, not genetic disorders, not uber-prematurity and brain bleeds and oscillating ventilators. just…birth.
there’s clearly got to be a birthin’ around here sometime soon.

(me and my pet Volkswagen and an – uneaten – magic mushroom, three weeks ago at 29 weeks…by the lovely and talented Kate)
everything’s dandy with the bambino, and the weeks of crisis delivery prognoses are creeping past, therefore…the more my razor-sharp neuroses get to hone in on me.
it’s not the fear of the unknown, but of a three-peat. experience says i deliver fast, and early, and my babies have big heads for their gestational ages. i have a scarred cervix that tends to resist dilation, then tear. my placentas don’t detach properly, causing retention once, hemorrhage the second time ’round. and my body – this time, as each time before – is weakened at its core from extended bedrest.
i feel silly about my fear…ashamed, even. but it is real and grows bigger as i do. birth has marked me in ways i do not like. i do not want to dwell on those wounds, or give them power…i’d like to get beyond them. but i am not sure i can until this baby is born and this third birth confronted and endured…and hopefully celebrated. my fear is that the birth will add to the sum of baggage i need to unpack, rather than – perhaps? – being healing. i’d like healing. i’m just afraid to ask for what seems like so much.
i had what was pretty much a post-traumatic stress reaction in labour with Oscar. flashbacks, full-blown panic attack. on top of that, i had complications that knocked out my pelvic floor: some clitoral tearing, a vaginal and bladder prolapse, an unwanted fourth-degree epiosiotomy that went straight through my perineum and then tore four inches up. i was stitched three layers deep, stem to stern, and then had to be torn open again when they whisked me off to surgery to retrieve the hemorrhaging placenta. barely a quick photo with my newborn before being rushed off for the d&c, then three hours alone and shaking, still panicked, in recovery…that, after having lost Finn only hours after his birth, was probably worst.
i had a birth plan for O’s delivery…written to try to remind myself that once we passed 35 weeks the birth needn’t be the powerless, frightening, emergency event that Finn’s had been. it wasn’t a complicated plan…my only caveats were to avoid episiotomy and to be with baby after birth for at least an hour, for bonding and an attempt at breastfeeding. neither worked out, though in the first case no one ever explained why, despite my shouts of “no!”. the whole thing still turned out to be a powerless, frightening, emergency event. had any of it been necessary to safely deliver Oscar, my sense of violation wouldn’t have mattered worth shit, to me…but he was fine through the whole blessed mess. i felt like a piece of meat, ravaged and dismissed.
i do not have the powers of self-delusion to simply compose another birth plan and assume it’ll go better this time.
i see my OB Wednesday, for the first time since Halifax released me. i want to talk about birth…about what options are reasonably open to me, about what factors are controllable and what odds i have of a different type of birth than the last two. we haven’t talked about it yet because until last Friday there was an assumption i’d deliver in Halifax…though the Halifax team were hoping to get me past 32 weeks and so didn’t want to talk about it, either. but now i’m set to deliver here. with whoever’s on call, because that’s how the system works. and i wake up at night sweating.
i know my own fear is my worst enemy. i also know that i can’t think myself out of a post-traumatic stress reaction, especially if this labour comes as fast and strong as the last two. i’ve played with the idea of just asking for a c-section, except i doubt the likelihood of me making it to 38 weeks without going into labour.
i plan to take Evening Primrose Oil from about 35 weeks – orally at first, to help break down scar tissue, then vaginally after 37 weeks. the cerclage, according to Halifax, will come out at 36.
i’d also – if i have a vaginal birth – like to try delayed cord cutting in hopes of preventing placental retention and getting to actually hold this child and be with her for the period following her birth. it’s the one thing i ever really invested in, in terms of having my babies come into the world…the skin-on-skin of that first hour or two, reprieve from the work of birth. if the baby has any issues, obviously that dream flies out the window, but if we can get to 35 or 36 weeks it’s far more likely to be me and my complications that lessens that possibility. and thus i’d like to do what i can to help the placenta separate cleanly. but there’s resistance here towards delaying cutting the cord, particularly with an early-ish baby. my OB might respect my wishes, but the other docs? i haven’t been overwhelmed with some of their listening skills. thus i wonder if an induction – so as to be sure i’m with my own OB – might be wise, despite my aversion to the idea?
i did perineal massage when i was pregnant with Oscar and am willing to do it again, but don’t know what impact the significant epiosotomy/tear scar has on its effectiveness, especially when it so clearly did sweet f#ck all last time?
i want to know what you know. i’m going to end up making what decisions are open to me based on odds…odds of a joyful, peaceful, non-brutalizing delivery, however it comes about. the more people’s experiences i become familiar with, the better sense i’ll be able to gather of what those odds really are. Dr. Google isn’t really helping. so please. no holds barred.
have any of you ever had a fourth-degree tear or episiotomy that didn’t open or need to be opened again in a subsequent birth? if it did, how did the healing go the second time around?
did any of you who’ve had a cerclage try Evening Primrose Oil (or something else?) to help minimize scar tissue on the cervix? do you think it helped?
any experience with delayed cord cutting, or with retained placentas and other methods of trying to minimize the likelihood of that happening?
has anyone who’s had a prolapse not have it happen again in a subsequent delivery? were you able to do anything to impact how that turned out, one way or the other?
anybody able to compare a prolonged transition-type labour (contractions a minute apart for an hour or more) with an induction? i know the latter are supposed to be really hard to tolerate, but i’m wondering if my own labours aren’t perhaps already on that track already? would pitocin intensify that?
any general advice regarding planned c-sections vs. induction vs. taking one’s chances with the on-call docs?
is it common in many places to be allowed to hold your newborn for the stitching period after a c-section? (it is in Halifax, not here. policy. bah.)
does anyone know if ativan or some other anti-anxiety medication can be safely given during labour if panic and PTSD symptoms set in? i know it’s safe (or at least given) during pregnancy, but i’m curious about whether it’s usable so close to delivery.
i know birth is not a controlled event. i also know that nothing matters more than taking home a healthy baby. but i am still hoping, nervously, that maybe i can come out of this birth able to focus on that baby and not on my own mental and physical damage. i’d like to ask for a positive, empowering, affirming experience…but i’ll happily settle for less than wretched. so…keeping in mind that i live in a province where midwives are not certified and where the doula i met with told me that with my history she might not be able to do much to mitigate the physical repeat of past complications…tell me what you think makes sense for me. and tell me what you can about what’s been positive for you, in birth…please…no matter what the circumstances.
(just…pretty please…don’t tell me just to relax and it’ll all be fine. i will personally chew your arms from your body so that you can never, never type again.
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August 12th, 2008 at 12:10 am
Wow, Bon, if anyone tells you to be calm, everything will be fine, I’ll join you in chewing off your arms. Because based on what you’ve gone through, you have every reason to be scared. You’ve been through a lot, is what I’m saying. 4th degree tearing, clitoral tearing (Holy &^%$!), phew. I wish I had some good advice. All I can say is I had pitocin with my first and my third labors. For the first, it felt really hard to handle and out of control– too much too soon. For the third it felt just right and got the party started. I don’t know if that’s because the dosages were different or because my body handled labor so much better the third time around. I’m hoping for the latter, and hoping that this transfers to you, too– third time being the charm and all that.
As for snuggling the babe while their stitching you up? Policy shmolicy is what I say. I was allowed to do this each time. Tobin was right beside me so it’s not like I would have dropped the baby if things got crazy; he could have stepped right in. Perhaps find out what’s behind the policy and figure out a solution? Maybe they’d be happy if you promise Dave will be right there or if you agree to sign a waiver. Who knows.
August 12th, 2008 at 12:11 am
Okay what I meant was I’ll join YOU in chewing off THEIR arms. I really have no interest in chewing on yours. You’ll be needing them soon to snuggle your baby, after all.
August 12th, 2008 at 12:11 am
I was induced with my first and only son, and it wasn’t really a pleasant experience–mainly because I wanted a carefree labor and delivery that followed my birthplan to a TEE. Ha! Bwahaha! (I know better now.)
I had intense, on-top-of-each-other contractions for at least 4 hours. The whole labor felt like transition to me (or what I imagined “transition” to feel like). Ahem, however, you asked for positive, so . . . drugs helped the intensified contractions. Helped A LOT. Also, in maybe a positive note for you(?), if your natural labors are hard and fast and body-rending, an induced labor *might* (MIGHT! I am no medical person) help control that. But obviously it would be best to ask your OB rather than random ole’ me on the interweb.
When I finally (after 21 hours of labor; Good Grief!) delivered my son, he was born in a rush of amniotic fluid and meconium, which he was also obviously covered with. To be sure he hadn’t inhaled any, he was whisked away to be suctioned and monitored. His initial APGAR was ridiculously low, and I didn’t get that newborn skin-on-skin I’d so wanted. If I ever brave this child-birthing thing again, it’s something I hope to experience more than any other “plan” of labor and delivery.
I hope you can figure out a course of action that makes you feel less anxious, and I really hope you get those precious first moments holding your daughter. You deserve them.
And (I hope this isn’t in the vein of “everything will be ok” because I really like my forearms) I think it’s perfectly reasonable to be scared, no matter if you’re on your first or third or tenth delivery. Birth is unpredictable, as you well know. Here’s hoping the best for your new daughters’.
August 12th, 2008 at 12:12 am
Bon thanks for the post. My first words were to say. Yeah, that’s what I thought. Like the c thing, who wouldn’t…
I would be surprised if you didn’t say you are in some first transition right now. The wait you have at this tipping point. So much, as you state, to bramble. [insert teacher's pen, wrong word, but I mean sisters it's a blog!!]
Take care be well… is that what I said? Pesky?
Fuck girl this is going to be too hard. I resent that for you. And, do know I am an excellent resenter…
And, you want notes? Notes from me who had 2 vaginal deliveries as an completely unearned gift. Know nothing me. The few things I can speak to 1. tears, totally tore with first and not really with second, those kids 2 yrs apart (that matters.) 2. gas is good, why not laughing gas for the anx? would look good on you.. incidently gas sucks for labour — who can suck in when everything says, push out! 3. the doctor thing — it is you and Dave so very much. There was a point with the nuthatch I knew p-man was pissed that we didn’t have OUR doctor but I just said.. I know, I will tell you if it bothers me. It was mostly us in that case and that was wonderful, better/best in a way. But more so entirely for me he had terrors that I was spared.
And, I won’t hesitate to say it. I am just dreaming every night of a birth that uncomplicates for you. I know it has been long to now. Hard not the believe some other shoe must drop but maybe… maybe, God, not.
August 12th, 2008 at 12:21 am
what? oh sorry, i’m too distracted by your rack. looking good, babe.
August 12th, 2008 at 12:26 am
Hi Bon,
Your belly is lovely and ripe and perfect. You are gorgeous.
I sent Kate an email to forward to you about planned C-sections and things you can do before and after to facilitate peaceful birthing and healing.
And, I was going to address some of your questions but I think I’ll email you instead (because, if you ever read my blog, you know how awfully long winded I can be and I’d hate to take up all that space in your comments).
Love and Peace,
Leigh
August 12th, 2008 at 12:41 am
Ooh yes, the gas is calming. I hear it makes some girls nauseous but it was a thing of wonder for me during and right after my horror-show birth.
And that was birth #2, when I tore in a completely different number on the clockface than where they cut an episiotomy for #1. (I must add that healing from an epi was speedier than from tearing. Hmm.) So I imagined the scar tissue to be no weaker on their cut line than anywhere else.
Out here (Alberta) the same goes for getting the on-call doc, and it seems that birth plans are rarely followed when the overworked masked stranger breezes in to baby-catch. My vote, for what it’s worth from a stranger, is to induce or section with your OB if that’s an option. If not, is your husband very clear on what you want and ready to be vocal? Because hey, when you’re getting high from the laughing gas, it’s good to know someone sober has your back.
All the best, and do NOT watch Baby Story. Damn Disney births, all of them.
August 12th, 2008 at 12:45 am
Hey Bon,
the only suggestion I can make, is talk to a midwife – they have some good experience with perineal massage, and delayed cord cutting, and they might be able to give you some pointers.
Obviously, in your case, a simple hold the perinium is likely not going to do it, but they might have some strategies. ..
August 12th, 2008 at 1:01 am
absolutely nothing to add on the questions you’ve posed. except peace to you and Dave.
but I do want to add that the picture is beautiful, as is its subject.
August 12th, 2008 at 1:02 am
oh, bon. the recounting of your last delivery and experience of birth with O left me feeling that my c section was a walk in the park. i delivered my twins at 36 weeks via c, not really planned, just could not hold on any more. i have no experience of v birth, but i can say i found the c section to be a little disconcerting, but without terrible complications for me and none for them. i do not know if it helps to mention my case, just thought i would let you know that the process, though a little disconnected, left me able to function and see them (though not keep them close due to their early delivery). i will be thinking of you much as the time draws closer. let me know if there is any other info that you might find helpful (i.e. the process and recovery, etc.)
August 12th, 2008 at 1:16 am
Sheesh! I have no good assvice for you, except to share the birth plan of a friend: “Don’t wake me up postpartum until the hairdresser arrives.” Here’s to a far less rending birth experience for you!
August 12th, 2008 at 1:33 am
Go cervix! (Silly me, just had to say that, since I’ve gotten used to cheering it on.)
They whisked Q-ster away to be inspected right after birth because I had pre-eclampsia and they were worried about his condition, but I was able to hold Buster while they stitched me up. Mind you, I had an episiotomy both times, and not nearly as severe as what you’ve described. Wishing you well.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:01 am
You look absolutely beautiful. I know you are looking for more in these comments – answers to all of those important and frightening questions in your head. I’m just going to be the silly, ignorant friend who says, I can’t wait to meet her. I SO SO Hope that you get your answers and that this birth is different and healing for you.
August 12th, 2008 at 3:04 am
Lovely photo!! Excellent questions… don’t have any real answers. I needed oxytocin to regulate my contractions and needed an epidural to tolerate it. That might be another benefit to induction, planned pain relief. Sounds like you have some great questions for your OB.
August 12th, 2008 at 3:32 am
how am I supposed to concentrate with that amount of beautiful?!
August 12th, 2008 at 5:54 am
I was induced with my first, it wasn’t so bad, although I wondered if I shouldn’t have just waited as I wound up with a C after many many hours of labor. With the second the docs were really adamant that chances of delivering with fewer complications go up if you go into labor naturally, although, that didn’t seem to be the train of thought at the time I had my first.
With my Cs I wasn’t allowed to hold the baby during the stiching but on the plus side I know they can (and did) administer anxiety meds. I’m not sure what it was, but it was good.
So many questions and no easy answers. You have the advantage of having such clarity of mind during these weeks to formulate these really excellent questions. (But step away from Dr Google if you can.._)
August 12th, 2008 at 6:21 am
You look wonderful, Bon.
I have no advice as I’ve never been pregnant. I hope very much that you can get a peaceful birth from which both of you emerge healthily.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:32 am
I had an epi and 5 stitches with #1.
I was dreading the same with #2 and ended up with NOTHING done after, even though he was a full pound and a half heavier.
I took the evening primrose oil, and the rosemary leaf tablets, stopped short of the massage and those contraptions you can buy to inflate inside the vajayjay.
In all honesty, I don’t know how it happened. I just hope you get the birth you want and deserve.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:44 am
Your belly is SO gorgeous! (Well so is the rest of you but I already knew that
But holy shit, I can’t imagine a worse birth experience. My emergency c-section feels like a cakewalk now.
It was around 35 weeks that I started to panic about the birth and decided to get a doula. She was really great. I had told her I preferred to avoid pain relief unless they gave me pitocin, in which case I’d be a lot more open. So when the subject of pitocin came up in my labour, she called for an epidural, which I totally wouldn’t have thought of. I still wasn’t sure what to do, but my midwife jumped in and said that I was really working too hard for where I was in my labour (3 cm – I felt like I was in transition!) and she thought it might be a good idea. So I got the epidural and in an hour went to 7 cm. But then I had a fever so I had to get a c-section.
They strap your arms down for a c-section so you can’t hold the baby until you’re in recovery. I did get to sort of rub noses with him though.
I had wanted delayed cord cutting because I’m rh negative and my husband is rh positive and delaying makes for less blood mixing. But the midwives said the most they’d do was like a minute or two. They’re regulated by their college, so they end up being more medwives.
If I were you, I’d get a doula. She was a great advocate and she had GREAT massage techniques for contractions. I had to labour laying down and attached to a monitor because Swee’pea was in distress and my labour felt very painful. I wonder if a doula could advocate for no episiotomy? Also, having an experienced person/friend there might help with the PTSD panic part? Maybe try another doula? They probably can’t do much for the physical stuff, but it’s really the psychological stuff that’s the hard part, isn’t it? (And rightfully so – seriously, I think that’s gotta be just about the worst possible birth experience, especially following the loss of Finn.)
August 12th, 2008 at 8:50 am
Hey Bon, glad all is still well. When I saw the photo for the first time I wasn’t sure if it was you or Dave
Relax, everything will be fine (running and hiding)
August 12th, 2008 at 9:12 am
First off, you are so beautiful it hurts.
Secondly, I’ll be annoying ’cause I kept thinking this. We had this really pretty peach the other day. REALLY pretty. My son bit into it excitedly and with high expectations and said, it tastes funny. I thought he was nuts and then I had a bite. IT HAD NO FLAVOUR! WTF? My mind was blown!
You can do it all to prepare, or you can do nothing. It will have its own flavour regardless, it seems, in my experience anyway. BUT I would do everything possible to try to prepare, to keep busy, to do the right thing and then hope like hell. I think your anxiety is getting the better of you.
I had level four etc etc evisceration first time around. I warned doctors second time around and no one listened to me. Enter son who was 10 pounds and same old story…cut, cut, tear, tear. Get someone to listen to you, really listen. That’s my best advice.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:20 am
Reading your description of your previous births, I can’t help thinking that there ought to be something that someone could do to make it even the tiniest bit easier, even marginally less traumatic. But, of course, I have no idea what that would be.
And my own experiences are equally useless for your purposes, since, except for that dead baby thing, everything went pretty much okay.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:39 am
You look great. Now we know all that stuff about you turning into one of the sofa cushions is BS.
I had two planned c-sections. The first because Fiona was a footling breech who could not be moved, the second because everyone was relieved at the idea of scheduling the birth and reducing the number of variables.
The first surgery was a bit complicated and they had to put me under for the stitching up. The second one was great and I held the baby. Both times, my recovery was uncomplicated and easy. I was up and around in the hospital.
I would highly recommend it as a way to calm your anxiety by avoiding the unknown. I do not believe that going through a vaginal birth, even a textbook example, would be a healing process for the past.
Good luck at your appointment. I hope you have the opportunity to discuss all your questions and get thorough answers.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:48 am
Nobody ever told me how many degrees my episiotomy was with Bub – all I know is that after a forceps delivery there is a LOT of stitching up, and it went a LONG way back. So I figure it was pretty much the biggest episiotomy they could do. And when Pie was born there was no episiotomy or tearing, a wholly unexpected miracle.
As for the rest – the only thing that has me gaping, open-mouthed, more than the stories you have to tell is the incredible beauty of that photo.
August 12th, 2008 at 10:19 am
This is the part of the journey I could never wrap my arms around. A Type-A Control Freak, the ‘unknowing’ of labor and birth was enough to spin me into an anxiety attack. You are thinking through all that you need to; continue to do so and hold onto whatever faith you have (in God, the Universe, whatever) – it’s all meant to be and work out for you. There is positive energy surrounding you, friend. Love to you – (great photo, Kate!)
August 12th, 2008 at 10:24 am
I kept waiting for you to type a question that I could answer, hoping in some way I would have wisdom or solace to offer. And then the warning at the end, not that I’d have said just be calm, but sweet f*ck, feels as if I have no kids instead of three for all the help I can be.
I would just say that if there are ways in which you can enter this homestretch feeling a modicum of control, I’d take them C-section…
No matter what, I will be wishing you the sweetest time feeling that skin against yours as you embrace your amazing creation.
August 12th, 2008 at 10:29 am
I’ve asked here in the health world and the general consensus is plan a c-section if you’re ok with them. Over here you would be able to hold the baby right away, get a mini tummy tuck if there’s been damage from this or past pregnancies and do it with your doc at a time you both agree is right. And you can ensure that all the people you love are there and waiting this time, instead of what you’ve had before with all the fear and pain. If you go for a v-birth, can you have your doc request a specialist plastic surgeon be on call? You have every right to that level of follow-on treatment. I agree withy De that a v-birth doesn’t seem like it will heal your past scars, inside or out.
And you look fantastic!! I would love to be there to touch it (just the belly though:)
August 12th, 2008 at 10:44 am
Oh, my. I know we’ve talked about this but to see it all laid out, I imagine myself as you and think, “Put on some Beatles, lower the curtain, let my arms be free and give my baby a calm, unhurried airlift.”
That’s not meant to be a recommendation but only a heartfelt vote of understanding – never in my life have I ever felt so connected to the healing power of predictable calm – even if it comes in the form of the much-demonized c-section.
You know already that even with the terror of the NICU, my c-section was light years easier to recover from that my gong show vaginal birth – which wasn’t even half the gong show of YOUR gong show, which takes the g-d cake.
But you’re playing roulette of sorts, trying to guess how long you’ll hold out, wanting to act proactively but not too proactively.. there’s just so much to consider. Whatever you either choose or agree to, you just do what’s best for your heart.
We all love you and cheer you, gorgeous mama. You’ve done an amazing job.
xo
August 12th, 2008 at 11:07 am
I have no advice. I will say 4 things, though.
1. Give this post to your ob. Break it down into a point form version and print multiple copies to distribute to l@d nurses and on-call obs.
2. Get a doula. Even if she has told you that she might not be able to successfully intervene, she will be one more voice in the room and she could well be the only calm voice. (That is unless your doula is like the only one here in SleepyTown–a complete flake who’s never had kids and who thinks chanting will cure all ills.)
3. My sister-in-law had a prolapsed uterus with her first and a perfectly fine delivery with her second.
4. Induction does intensify things greatly and if you are already prone to fast labours, I would be wary.
Oh bon, I am so concerned for your well-being in all this. I will be thinking of you a lot over these next few weeks.
And, finally, wheeeee! Look at you all beautifully preggers. Back in Feb, if you would have told me that a picture like that was on the horizon, I would have breathed a thousand thank yous to the gods on your behalf. Hey gods are you still listening? Because she needs you for a little while longer ‘kay?
August 12th, 2008 at 11:16 am
Ok. First I want to say that you are looking magnificent. Way to go girl!!
Now, the birth of my twins was a complicated thing because they had to be delivered at 30 weeks by emergency c-section. I didn’t get to hold either one because they were so small (one was 3lb 10oz the other was 1lb 7oz). They were both immediately put on ventilators and rushed to the NICU. I didn’t even get to see them until about 6 hours after I delivered because I had to wait on the numbing from the spinal block to wear off. (It wasn’t completely worn off but I raised so much hell that they finally had to take me down in a wheel chair to see them because I wouldn’t go to sleep without making sure they were ok. Which they weren’t at the time but they got better.) I am pregnant again now and don’t know if its one or more yet. I am like you in hoping for a better outcome this time. I didn’t have the terrible experiences you’ve had, but would still like to try this one naturally without all the emergency stuff.
Sorry I didn’t have any good advice, just keep your plans in mind and make sure your hubby knows too so he can help when the time comes. Good luck!!
August 12th, 2008 at 11:41 am
Most of those don’t apply to me but:
I had two c’s in two different hospitals in two different states; did not get to hold my baby in the first minutes either time. To be fair, I didn’t think to ask. The first time, they did work hard to have me breastfeeding very soon after (30 minutes, maybe?). I was so wrung out from 2 days of labor + section that I couldn’t use my arms. The nurse held my baby to my breast for me.
For my 2nd birth (attempted VBAC) I took EPO to try to encourage dilation. I think it worked, although I can’t know for sure. (The VBAC didn’t happen in the end but not bc I didn’t dilate.)
Good luck with whatever you decide and whatever happens. The recovery from my two sections, even following labor both times, wasn’t difficult.
August 12th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
I wish I had some great advice fr you. All I can say is that I never had birth plans, which I think helped me to have no expectations. I just wanted everyone (me and baby) to make it through ok. I was induced two times with the maximum allowable dosages of pitocin, and I had epidurals both times. I really liked it, because I was present and able to manage the pain and could push both babies out on my own even though I was a bit numb in my legs. I tore an awful lot the first time, and the recovery was hard, but I got through it. I must be the only mother in the world that didn’t really care about holding the baby right away…I was too exhausted after 2.5 hours of pushing to take care of anyone but myself…but that’s what amazing husbands are for. His job was to stay with the babies while I got stitched and let all the “shakies” leave my body. My second needed to go on oxygen and under the warmer in another room right away, and I sent my husband to be with him so he wasn’t alone. So, no immediate bonding, but no regrets. Everyone got through it, and that was what was important to me.
August 12th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
I’m not the best person to comment about this, most people hate me when I say not a stich with 2 babies. So can’t help you there.
I was induced for my first, labour was 9 1/2 hrs or so, delivery was hard. I layed on one side during labour and didn’t dialate evenly.
#2 water broke at home, labour started an hour later, lasted 3 1/2 hrs. Labour was a Bitch, delivery was a relief. I stayed upright and dialated evenly.
I’ve been lucky and there are still things I hated, stuff the nurses ignored that I specifically asked for.
I would hope the Dr is honest with you when you meet. I hate it when someone talks to me like I’m stupid.
With what you’ve said, I’d think a planned c-section would be the way to go.
If I were you I’d be scared too. Don’t be ashamed of that. Ask questions, lots of questions, lots of what if cenarios. Don’t leave until they are all answered. Don’t accept we’ll cross that bridge if we get to it. Write a list of questions and bring it with you. Make sure Dave knows too, so when you’re freaking out he can help explain whats going on. You can’t plan what will happen, but you can have a plan for most cenarios. Even have a plan for where Dave will be if the baby needs to be taken to another room. Plan for someone to always be with you. That might help.
You forgot something though, the goal isn’t only a healthy baby…
August 12th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
You know I’m totally with you here, right?
I had horrendous tearing with the first, not sure what degree, I think I blocked it out, I just know that there were hundreds of stitches, and prolapse. I recovered by using vaginal estrogen cream and kegels combined, kegels won’t work on dry vag tissue, and the cream doesn’t interfere with breastfeeding as long as you keep it down below, hehe.
Next birth, was an induction of a one pounder, and he was easy to birth, and honestly, as traumatic as it was, I also got to have a really “normal” experience. In that case, they started me with pills beside my cervix to soften it up, and then they broke my water.
Ask about the prostoglandin pills, before the pit drip, if you get induced. Much gentler than straight pit.
Next birth, giant baby, 9 pounds, slid right out of me with only 4 pushes. One teensy tear, she never bothered to stitch. No prolapse, but I did get some cream and was kegeling like a madwoman afterwards, so that might’ve helped.
(Oh, and that birth, I had a serious placental tear, still they let me labour, as long as the baby’s heart rate was good. And it was.)
The second birth is always easier than the next, always always always. C-section or vag. always.
Not sure what you can do to prevent placental tearing at this point. Heparin and baby asiprin were my cures but they didn’t do so much this time?
As for the PTSD, propranolol is safe I’m told. Check with Motherisk and talk to your doc. It’s a miracle drug for PTSD, IMO. It lowers BP, but that’s okay in labour usually they like that.
I’d go for the induction, but that’s me. and get them to assign you a really good nurse, one who knows what you need. Write it down.
If you like, I can email you a copy of what I wrote out. It might help you write one?
August 12th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
And no it wasn’t what I jokingly wrote on my blog….hehe
August 12th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
I wish I knew what to tell you. I am totally freaked out by the idea of giving birth again. The rational part of me knows that last time was kind of a worst case scenario deal but I don’t have any other basis of comparision. I got to see my baby for all of a minute before he was whisked off to NICU and I was wisked off to ICU. I didn’t see him again for another 36 hours with me in a wheelchair hooked up to oxygen and him in an incubator. But I always know it could have been worse, much much worse. I’ll be praying for an easy and healthy birth for you both.
August 12th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Bon, I don’t have any real advice. I will say that I did have an episiotomy with BubTar and I didn’t tear or need an episiotomy with KayTar. The birth and recovery with her was so much easier.
I don’t know how I would contend with the decisions you have before you and the history you have behind you, but I hope somehow you find a path that makes this all easier for you.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
You’re so pretty, mama.
Can I just say that both of my births were at the IWK, and I was all “MY babies will be born at a fabulous hospital, blah blah blah”… and then my sister had her baby in Charlottetown and let me tell you, THOSE people know how to deliver a baby.
Seriously. They followed my sister’s (uncomplicated) birth plan to a T. They allowed her to deliver without drugs as per her wishes, even though delivery took well over 24 hours. She was allowed skin-to-skin and undisturbed nursing for almost two hours before they even took the baby to weigh her. It was very relaxed and peaceful, my sister says, and I am quite envious actually of the way the staff there treated the birth first as a natural process rather than a medical procedure – which was my problem with IWK, as I had two uncomplicated labours.
I won’t tell you it’ll all be OK but I like the suggestion made to give this post to your OB.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
I had kind of a terrible birth, but somewhere in calm waiting to dilate, drugs in place, nothing earth-shaking going on, I beat my husband in gin rummy. He’s not played with me since.
Sorry to be of no assistance.
August 12th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
That is a positively stunning photo.
I wish I had some advice and experience in the second subsequent pregnancy, post cerclage area, but alas, I am still steps behind you.
I found that having been prepared, by you, for the likelihood of a post-traumatic stress response, that just realizing it was likely helped me through. I definitely think drugs are a good idea though, if they are medically safe.
I didn’t do anything after my cerclage in terms of preventing scarring. My ob just checked it out yesterday after a follow-up pap (I had an irregular pap after giving birth which she said wasn’t a surprise after birth) and said she can’t see any scar tissue currently. It’s probably mostly luck. It’s time you had some of that.
I will be thinking of you constantly in the coming weeks, hoping for a healing, restorative and beautiful birth.
August 12th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
When I was pregnant with Porgie, my water broke, but I never went into labor. When I went to the hospital, they started me on pitocin. It was awful. AWFUL. I wasn’t allowed to get out of bed, and the contractions were coming back to back. I was in labor for 17 hours, and I only dilated to 5 cm. My labor stalled, and I was scheduled for a c-section. When Porgie was born, I didn’t get to hold her while they were stitching me up, but she was given to me in the recovery area. I tried to nurse her, but I was too drugged up. I was dizzy and sweaty and vomiting. When I was finally wheeled to my room, Porgie was taken to the nursery. So, in my experience, an induction and a c-section aren’t really fabulous options.
Izzy’s c-section was scheduled in advance, and it was much less traumatic. I delivered him at a different hospital, and unfortunately, I wasn’t allowed to see him for 3 or 4 hours after he was born – which sucked. And they fed him formula without my permission. Grrrr. But, overall, the scheduled c-section was better than the pitocin fiasco.
August 12th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
I can only speak to the c-section questions. My first was urgent (not emergency though I don’t bother with the distinction for most people) and my second was planned. I opted not to try VBAC for my second pregnancy because of my age not because of anything else. That first c-section was because of his heart not withstanding contractions, nothing wrong with me. And it only advanced to c-section when induction failed because his heart rate kept dropping to almost nothing with each contraction. My husband thought it was a sign that induction was the wrong idea, but I was so happy that it was a Friday because that was the day that the doctor I loved (besides my own) was on call and I didn’t want to go one more day and risk a doctor I didn’t have that fabulous rapport with. He got overruled by me and I’m still not entirely sure how he feels about that. I happen to believe that unmonitored labor with that particular heart defect would be a recipe for death and am ever-so-grateful that I went with my gut and did not defer to his fears that we were interrupting a natural process. The natural process would have left me without my Down syndrome-having, heart-surgery enduring precious boy. And maybe in some eyes that would have been the natural and right thing for him to not make it, but not in my eyes dammit.
Both times my husband was with me and (silly lovely fool that he is) he stood to watch over the curtain at our children being born. He was there and he held the babies both times. Even at the first one there was no whisking away. My son with the heart defect had Apgar scores of 9 and 10. I remember the rush of relief when our son cried out and the panic because our long, lanky daughter waited a bit to get vocal. I didn’t hold either child. With our son I didn’t think to ask probably because I would have been taking our son our of his father’s arms. With our daughter I couldn’t have because I was shaking horribly the whole time. They said it was a side-effect of the spinal. I certainly didn’t feel scared except for those long seconds where she was out but quiet. The recovery room was a different story though. I spent about an hour in their each time, cuddling and nursing and having family come in.
My recovery was speedy to say the least. And surprisingly pain free. I was motivated the first time to get down to the NICU (they stole him from me on day 3 when his probs were found) so I was only in my room to pump and eat. The second time Princess Screamy McScreamerson required much holding. I had to get the nurse to come hang out just so I could pee without disturbing everyone in that wing of the hospital. She must have helped me though because the checklist that the nurse went over with me at discharge of all the things to expect at home were things that had already happened. And I took so few pain meds that the nurses wanted to put my chart on the wall to show the other moms how it should be done. Guess I was surrounded by whiners that time.
Blah, blah, blah. I guess what I mean by all that is not just here is my experience, but that good can come from throwing the birth plan to the winds and trusting when the doctor is one that you *really* trust. I think from everything of yours I’ve read that I would probably want to induce with the doctor I like if I was in your shoes.
And I’m jealous of your pregnant beauty. Pregnant is the only time I’ve ever felt beautiful.
August 12th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
You are one dedicated mama, with all of those fears and problems but still willing your child to keep going.
I did the perineal massage too but still had a level-two tear.
August 12th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
This is TRUE assvice, as I have absolutely no idea if it’s allowed or smart or helpful or whatever. But I was given a very strong sleeping pill during my labor – they were hoping to stop it because it was 10 hours, 1 cm, looking like nothing else happenin’. And the sleeping pill relaxed – well, everything, cervix included. Instead of stopping it, I dilated the remaining 9cm in 1 hour. A painful hour, (and very odd, given that I couldn’t stay awake), but short. I tore, as well, no epi just natural tearing, but only 2nd degree.
I have not consulted Dr. Google, really I know nothing, I just wanted to give you some kind of help here, so that’s all I have to offer. The relaxing pill relaxed my whole body, and it made the whole thing go quick and relatively smooth. Take from that what you can, if anything!
And I second, third, fourth, etc. the comments on the beauty of the photo. Stunning!
August 12th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
I was looking at the People with Angelina Jolie and her babies in it, and it struck me how alike you look…that same calm, trial by fire in your eyes…lovely.
May I say how I’m glad that this is your stress? That having your daughter is your worry? It seems so sweet after all the rest.
I don’t have much advice. Avoid induction if possible, state your case strongly to your doc, explain explain. Sphincter Law and all…your experiences would keep be tightly wrapped without the proper people around. I tore both times, but I was fine with that. With more time I would have demanded massage, but I have babies quick.
Say the word darling, and I will be there with you. I’d be so proud to help you bring that lovely little creature into this rainy world.
And it’s likely that everything won’t be alright, or perfect. But it will be ok.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:13 pm
Bonnie, you look amazing!!
I can only relate my own birth experience. I was induced at 38 wks (with twins) and I was in labour for 15 hrs. They kept adding more and more pitocin, but my contractions were never as close as my OB wanted them. It was very painful, but I had no meds and no other experience to compare it to. I was strapped to the bed by monitors for the 15 hrs. I don’t know if that was because I was induced or because I was having twins though? I also had a retained placenta and hemmorhage. I held A for maybe a minute before I had to deliver H … that took another hour. Then I held H for a minute and the rest of my complications began. It was 3 1/2 hours before the hemmorhaging was under control and I got to really hold them and try to nurse them. Then I had a second hemmorhage 2 wks later at home that involved an ER visit and a D&C because apparently there was still some placenta bits in me. So, I understand some of the fears you have.
For me, the most positive part about being induced was the fact that I was with my doctor. If I had been with any other doctor, I would have been a lot more freaked out. But, I trusted her and she listened to what I wanted. If I was you, I would talk to your doctor if you trust her and see if you can work something out so that you have her for your delivery … maybe because of your history, she’d be willing to come in for you, or maybe you can schedule an induction? I haven’t had a c-section, but having had the retained placenta / hemmorhage nightmares, I would seriously consider a c-section if I were pregnant again since a D&C is part of that. I know you may not be able to hold your little girl right away, but maybe it would alleviate some of the fears about the other potential complications? I know in my case, my doctor assured me that the placenta / hemmorhage incidents were likely isolated events and that she wouldn’t assume it would happen again … I don’t know whether that advice is relevant to you as well, (and having lived through it, I’d worry anyway if I was pregnant again).
I wore my ipod for the whole ordeal. I even wore it for the D&C 2 wks later. Music helps me to focus and relax. If you can, I’d enlist a doula and / or massage therapist to be with you, that way you have someone else to speak for you and help you relax.
If you want to go out for a coffee talk anytime, call or email, I’d love to see you. Heck, I’d even go in the delivery room with you if it’d help!
August 12th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
Ok, so I have me those fast and furious births (this is how I know that contractions I have been having since being released from the hospital are nothing– they are too far apart. For me, not for normal people). Had to be induced with A. It wasn’t worse. Until my water broke significantly earlier than with Monkey. Then the pain picked up. But I surmise it would’ve done that if my water broke earlier in a labor that started on its own.
My placentas also do not tend to separate. First time, the midwife kept pressing on my belly so hard I screamed. Second time I can’t even remember what they had to do– I think they ended up manually removing it from the inside. Though because I had epidural then, it wasn’t nearly as bad as it was with Monkey. Oh, I remember– they waited for a while the second time, gave us time with A, but then yes, they had to go get it. They didn’t wait with Monkey because I was bleeding, and they were afraid it was the previa. But it was only a scratch on the inside of the vagina Monkey made on the way out.
No episiotomies for me. Though I tore worse with A than with Monkey, even though he was more than 2 lbs lighter. I think it had to do with shorter gestational age, the induction (maybe), and the fact that there was no midwife with a jar of vaseline to be skillfully applied to the perineum just in time (likely). Had way worse hemorrhoids with Monkey, though, and a nice hemotoma on the perineum. Annoying, but egads… all of that is child’s play compared to your wounds.
I have to say– I am mad for you. And sad. My hospital has been so wonderful to me, both times. And this time, so far. I have no fear of birth. In fact, I look at my hospital as a reprieve. I have gone so far as to say that I might believe that I would get a living baby if I was to get to the hospital in labor with him alive. I trust them this much.
I don’t know how helpful any of this has been. All I can do is hope that this time will be different for you, however it comes to be.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
lots of comments! I may be repeating them, sorry if I do!
So, I was induced at 38 weeks with a dr planning the c-section the whole time for Nori-o (she totally didn’t think I could do it.) I was on some super duper meds that made the inducement labor in general more sickening than natural labor, but the transition/pushing time itself was actually easier that natural/epidural only transition/labor. Maybe you could work up a blood pressure issue and get some magnesium sulfate : )It certainly helps a body relax…
I would love to see you get to make it to a c-section so much seems to be answered by that…an older baby and less below the belt trauma for you, a blessed release from post traumatic stress triggers as well. I imagine a c-section wouldn’t be as healing as a solid, un-traumatic birth would be…but it is still birth and your body might like it better…
hang in there!
August 12th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
I had a c-section with The Girl – she was a footling breech baby. I didn’t LOVE my c-section, but it wasn’t very traumatic or anything. Recovery was hard, and I think that my bonding with my baby was more difficult because of it, but neither of those things were permanent.
I had a nightmarish, horrible delivery with The Boy, 20+ hours of labour topped off with THREE HOURS of pushing and both of our heart rates plummeting and a final catastrophic baby removal via vacuum extractor that left me needing delivery table surgery. I had a fourth degree tear and internal stuff. (and he was induced, since he’d held on two weeks past his due date. That was just lovely.)
And with The Baby, I had five speedy hours of labour (contractions a minute apart for the WHOLE TIME) and two minutes of pushing, no post-baby surgery needed – her not weighing TEN FREAKING POUNDS made a lot of difference. However, my scar tissue from ol’ Mr. Big Head was pretty intense and I had a deep episiotomy. That healed very slowly, but it’s fine now – and I heal VERY slowly as a rule, so don’t go by me.
August 12th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
Bon you have just been through so much I am hoping with all my might that you get a healing birth.
I don’t have much to add but I had a fourth degree tear with my first which was a total nightmare but with the second I had a much smaller tear and it healed more quickly.
I held both my babies after they were born but I think they were held by my husband when the stitching began. I would hope a c-section would allow for the same.
One thing I have learned in the last year is that most things you are told are hospital policy are not if you have a nice nurse and or doc and/or are very vocal about your wishes.
August 12th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
You look beautiful!
I had an episiotomy with my oldest, who was 6 lbs 3 oz. I then hemorrhaged and they manually removed the rest of the placenta, so my hooha had a lot of in-and-out traffic. It did not heal right. I couldn’t sit down for weeks without weeping. Sex hurt for about 5 years afterwards. A lot.
My middles were born via c-section and the recovery was worlds better than from my first.
My last was born vaginally. She was 8 lbs 4 oz — more than 2 lbs bigger than my oldest. They let me tear, as I had requested, and it was a very small tear. In repairing it, the OB must have fixed part of what was wrong from my oldest, because sex no longer hurts and when I pee it doesn’t shoot all over like I’m a novelty yard sprinkler. Recovery was a piece of cake. It was amazing.
I hope you get a delivery like my last one. It was amazing and empowering and, just, things I didn’t really think a birth could be. Just know it doesn’t have to be awful, even if this baby is bigger.
August 13th, 2008 at 1:39 am
i don’t have experience with your specifics, only with a birth that didn’t go as planned. That things that did go as planned were in large part due to a husband and dear friend (who happens to be a labor and delivery nurse, but didn’t work at that hospital, she was just there for ME as a very knowledgable FRIEND- very much like a doula) who advocated for me, and nurses who were on my side. So when things went differntly I felt, for the most part, that I was part of making the decision to do that (like the pitocin after 36 hours of drug free labor). Getting someone on your staff on your side is probably the most important, as well as having Dave ready to fight for what you want. If you can get a nurse who understands your wants, she will go to bat for you with doctors, etc, and will also often delay bringing in doctors until they are necessary, etc.
Good luck.
August 13th, 2008 at 2:16 am
wow Bon
i’ve been reading your blog for quite sometime now and numerous times have been so deeply moved by your writing. i think you are amazing. i’m a shy wee thing though so don’t comment often but this post has me completely compelled to reach out and delurk.
i’m a midwife and so so dearly wish i could be yours. i think there are so many things i could say to help you and answer your questions but don’t quite know where to start. yours is one mother feckin horrid history.
personally i’ve had two completely different births. the first was a mammothly long labour with a boy who was in the wrong position and he ended up having to be born by c/s. my second, a wee girl was a planned home birth and she came in a mere 5 hours. so i guess from both my own professional and personal experiences i can truly say that no birth is quite like any other. don’t expect your wee girl to come like your boys. she probably won’t.
second i do think the mind is one of the most powerful elements in any birth. i’ve seen it countless times in birth and for me i had to do a whole lot of convincing myself that i could give birth at home despite all that had happened with my first. i read the best book to help with ‘letting my monkey do it’ and its a book by ina may gaskin called Ina May’s Guide to Childbirth. If you can get a hold of it. It’s full of really amazing information and if you do nothing else read this.
As far as your tearing is concerned its hard to say what will happen but once again just because you did so the first couple of times does not mean that it will happen again. episiotomies are rarely justified but alas its often at the discretion of your caregiver and its really hard to pass judgement or comment if you aren’t actually at the birth. don’t worry about the size of your babies head. your body has grown her beautifully and will give birth to her too. its what it was designed to do. also there are plenty of things your caregivers can do at the birth to help your perineum. hot towells etc as the head is advancing.
as far as evening primrose goes i’m not sure where the current research stands on that. i’ve not been working for the past 3 years because of having little kids so i’m not up with the play on it but my gut says no don’t mess with your cervix. but i’ll research it for you if you like.
i know that there is really great evidence out there to support delayed cord cutting. in the absence of bleeding and if all is well with babe i’m sure you could argue leaving it until there is physiological evidence that the placenta has separated. but then given your history if it was me i would probably be inclined to practice active management. there are definitely homeopathic options to assist with retained placentas and the like. come to think of it you might like to see a homeopath prior to the birth because they could help with all sorts of aspects especially fear and anxiety.
probably the last think i would say is that i think you really need to get a doula or a support person who knows birth and who knows you and could be your advocate. there is a ton of research out there that says women do so much better in birth when they have a known caregiver. i can’t recommend it highly enough.
so that’s my 5 cents. i would be happy to talk to you about any of this. i’m not a wierdo. really quite normal, 38 years old, and so touched by your story. i’m a new zealander but am currently living in canada (have been for the last 3 years) so i’m even on a similar time zone so please don’t hesitate to email me if i can be of any help. xx
August 13th, 2008 at 5:40 am
bon! i want to give you a hug. of course you’re terrified. jesus murphy your poor body and your poor heart and your poor dignity have been through a lot. i’m sorry that i can’t offer anything concrete in response to your questions. i can offer you my wholehearted support, though, and so i do.
don’t feel obliged to relax. i guess all you can do is be vocal and strong on your own behalf NOW, before the birth, and bask in the support of your friends now and later.
August 13th, 2008 at 11:12 am
Although it wasn’t my plan, I ended up having a c-section with my girl – frank breach in a goofy pike-like position. We found out a couple weeks before and I tried a lot of things to get her to turn around. (Surprise – she is still stubborn.) I was so upset because I wanted to hold her right away, I wanted it to be normal and natural. But, I had those few weeks to try things and to adjust to the idea. I had to wait about an hour to hold her. It was a surreal experience, and rather unnatural. But, I also found it to be surprisingly unstressful. We had a doula who stayed with me through stitching while my husband went with the baby while she was measured and weighed. We asked them to not bathe her so I could give her her first bath – my consolation prize to myself for not holding ehr right away. In the end, although I had not chosen or planned the c-section, and although I still feel envy for those whose plans went as planned, I was able to come to a place where I could be at peace with what happened. This was, I think, mainly due to knowing ahead of time, being able to ask questions and get answers, and to feel like I had done what I could to affect the outcome. Perhaps this is the best we can ask for in some cases – I think with your questions and the responses you’ll get, you’re a step ahead.
August 13th, 2008 at 11:36 am
I have no advice, but I want to chime in with support for midwives (generally an awesome bunch) and just to wish you the best. I had two c-sections, and I hated them, railed against them and against the feeling that birth was stolen from me. Sometimes I could kick myself for being an asshole whiner.
August 13th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
You totally get to be scared. Hell, I’d be terrified too. ((hugs))
I’m not much help with the birth thing but I’ve had 2 c-sections and I’ve never been in labor. I’m a diabetic & when I went in for my induction (babe had stopped growing – IUGR) Hollis was in distress & I had a section 20 minutes later.
I can tell you that a c-section can be much less scary if planned. (Assuming you can make it to 38 weeks. I never did). Even if you present in labor they can still do a c-section to prevent some of your other complications. A c-section w/o 2 hours of unproductive pushing first is much easier to recover from.
When I had the section with Hollis, the neonatologists took him right away (for obvious reasons). With my second, however, I got to hold Holden while they finished up my section (probably 30 minutes). Then I got him back about 10 minutes after they moved me out of recovery and into my room. They didn’t take him for all the other testing, etc… until after I’d had plenty of time with him to try breastfeeding several times and snuggle lots.
I’ll be thinking of you.
P.S. Amazing picture. Kate rocks.
August 13th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Bon, so many questions, and I think it is great that you are asking them, thinking of them, facing them, preparing. I think it is AWESOME that you are determined not to let the past define you now. It need not.
Like you said, only so much we can prepare, and when the time comes, we just roll with it. However, you can mentally and emotionally prepare ahead of time. Visualize. The ideal birth. Write down all your fears, each on a sheet of paper, and then ask yourself, what can I do about this? Do I need this fear? If there are solutions, write them down. If not, if you do not need those, burn them. Forget about them.
There are things you can do for anxiety: ~Aromatherapy. Find a smell that grounds you and give you energy. Bring that with you into birth. Put it on your pulse points, pillowcase, whatevers..
~Touch. Find a place where, when Dave touched you, you will find strength and peace. Breathe into that place. Tell him to touch you there when you need it. When he touches you there, know that you have strength.
Bach Flower Rescue Remedy. Helps with anxiety attacks.
~Homeopathy- there are also homeopathic medicines that can help with anxiety. I used that prior to my wisdom teeth surgery in January this year. helped a lot. There are different types for different things. Let me know if you want more info.
~Sound- can you play music for calming? Can you make a sound yourself that helps you tune into yourself, your primal self, that is powerful and yet knows how to surrender? some women use a mantra during birth. whatever you want. don’t care what others think. some people use, “open, open, open”. for you, maybe you need, “slow down slow down.” or “stretch slowly, etc” some people just use an “Oh….” or “ahhhhh” sound. just keep it a low sound. Ask Dave to remind you of that sound. start using that sound now.
Empower yourself now. Do some yoga or stretches that makes you strong. Birth is so physical. Walk. Put on some music and dance and sway with your baby. Talk to her, tell her your fears, your dreams…
I’d also go ahead and use the Evening Primrose.
Letting baby suckle at your breast should help placenta to dislodge. Talk to your OB before about this, and all other issues. Tie him to the bed while you stand over him and ask him questions.
Thinking all the good vibes for you, Bon. You look awesome, and what a journey it has been… you’ve done it all with amazing grace. xoxo
August 13th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Just so badly wish I could be there to do all the things that doulas do. You need support, come what may, you beautiful pregnant woman.
Pitocin is not so nice, but your labors sound fairly intense anyway. I would look very hard at your Bishops Score with your OB (it measures the likelihood that your induction will work.) just to avoid the drama of long, painful labor followed by a surgical birth b/c your labor doesn’t move. If you Bishops is good, you might not mind the pitocin so much – and there is always an epidural (Which is the same anesthesia used for a c-section) if the pain is off the chart. I know not everyone is into epidurals and that’s cool. I’ve just seen them really take the stress out of a scenario in certain birthing situations – which is great b/c then we can concentrate on the mama baby connection and not the pain. Epidurals do slow things down, but that might not be so bad for you.
I will tell you that I tore very, very badly with my second. No one could even discuss degrees with me because it was in multiple directions. I was being stitched for an hour. The baby was not lined up very well and corkscrewed out. No one was doing perineal massage during pushing & a few things were not managed well at the time. With my third – who was almost a full pound bigger – I did not tear a bit. I labored (not delivered) in warm water and used evening primrose oil capsules for 3 weeks before delivery (37 weeks onwards)
I bled very heavily after my first, even though my placenta had looked okay, something was amiss and I was badly anemic for months. My next two deliveries included pitocin administered immediately after the birth to make my uterus cramp down on the placenta – nursing babies will do this too, but sometimes newborns are not super-efficient right away, like if they are in a sleep state – I also underwent vigorous abdominal massage to prevent the hemorrhaging. It was effective, though unpleasant.
If you can get your own OB doc to sign off on everything you are hoping for, maybe the on-cal docs will go along with it? I’ve seen that happen a few times.
Wishing you the very, very best.
August 13th, 2008 at 7:17 pm
I had nothing along your lines-I don’t think a cruddy nurse who pushed fluids but didn’t give me a catheter who left me with a wicked parapalegic epidural, a full bladder, and a big headed baby count. I did end up with one hummer of an episiotomy, but with a huge baby and muconium, I was OK with that.
My vote, honestly, would be the induction. I had one with baby#2, and it wasn’t horrible. I did end up with an epidural (a perfect one, if possible; I could feel enough to push but not the pitocin contractions that were one on top of another). Beginning to end? Five hours, and that was starting from a dialation of less than 2cm. I ended up with an episiotomy both times, and it seemed to heal a lot better the second time; could be because there wasn’t the use of a vacuum that time, or I just handled it better. Regardless, the induction is controlled in that you know when, and you know who. While that may not help to get rid of a PTSD issue, it may help you to prepare yourself a bit better. I didn’t have a God-awful delivery like you have had, but it wasn’t a walk in the park either. With the induction, I had time to wrap my head around it, prepare myself, and I think that I was a lot better-I didn’t even dry heave like the first time (nothin’ but nerves, which I now know).
Good luck with whatever decision you and your OB make together. You’re in the home stretch!
August 13th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
Bon,
I had a 31 hour labor with my first and a five hour labor with my second. The first was 24 hours unmedicated, including several after we had to start pitocin, and it was so very hard. The second was induced, with (and this is KEY) the epidural given at about the same time as the pitocin, and it was a walk in the park. No pain, no numbness, no tearing. I know. I hated me for it too.
All I’m saying is, especially if there’s a medical reason for it, an induction can be wonderful. But if you do the pitocin, do the epidural. It’s no less natural, and it counters the hard fast breathtakingness of the pitocin contractions.
August 13th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
P.S. You look GORGEOUS so pregnant! Whoo-hoo!
August 14th, 2008 at 1:20 am
There is nothing we in the mom club like better than recounting labor stories! We’re like old men telling war stories, aren’t we? So here’re mine:
Baby #1: No induction, labor started on its own and proceeded slowly. So far, so good according to the 4 page birth plan (yes, we’re both type A & we studied/planned obsessively). When I finally got to the pushing part, it lasted 2 hours with no progress and I was exhausted since we’d been in labor 24 hours. It was determined that an emergency C-section was needed as the shoulders weren’t going to budge.
Didn’t hold baby for 4 hours after birth, and even then felt like I would drop her because I was so groggy from the anti-nausea drugs and being tired.
Baby #2: After 3 months on bed rest on account’a my cervix being 100% effaced & 1 cm dilated at 17 weeks, I ended up with an induction. (I should’a known right then and there what a hand-full that girl was going to be!) They let me try for a VBAC (not usually done nowadays, I hear) and I was determined to deliver drug-free – until the first contraction with the pitocin kicked in. Yowza is all I have to say! John was in the hall chatting up the guy who did the episiotomies and I nearly killed him for delaying the good doctor! But I did succeed with the VBAC, no complications except the episiotomy (which I did NOT want).
Held the baby SECONDS after birth for a good long while, and had the magical post-birth skin-on-skin contact I’d dreamed about. Nursed immediately and it was great. I did not hold while being stitched, but everyone else wanted a turn holding anyway, so all was well.
My assessment: Induction is 0 to 60 in 2 seconds or less, so watch out. C-section was WAY easier to recover from than vaginal, but perhaps it was the pain meds I had after the C-section (not being able to sit comfortably for a week after the vaginal SUCKED).
August 14th, 2008 at 8:03 am
Both of my girls were born via C-section, and even though I sometimes wish (naively?) that I could have tried a vaginal delivery, I can’t complain. Neither delivery was scheduled–they both happened once my contractions had started but before labor got hard–but was easy and fast. My first daughter was whisked off to the NICU for complications we already knew she had, but my second daughter got to snuggle with her daddy while I was being stitched back up. I know that was an incredibly special time for him. Half an hour to put me back together, and then I got about two hours with her all to myself; I don’t think I would have wanted it any other way. And the recovery? 2000% easier than my friends who delivered naturally. No swelling or tearing or prolapse or bruising or incontinence, just the stitches below my bikini line, and they came out five days later, by which time I was fully functional again. Plus, the post-surgery pain medication makes those afterbirth contractions much easier to endure.
Of course this decision is up to you, and I realize there are many, many factors involved. I just wanted to let you into my positive view of C-section deliveries if that can help you decide what’s best for you. I’m rooting for you, and can’t wait to “meet” your precious little one!
August 19th, 2008 at 9:28 am
I don’t have much to offer, although I worked with a woman who had a horrid first birth with tearing so significant she offered her husband her credit card to get himself a hooker when he suggested sex some months later. She went on to have a decent second birthing experience.
I do know from experience that Pitocin ups the intene factor significantly. It put me into hard labour within 20 minutes of hook up. That said, it sped things long and I had an epidural so I didn’t feel much besides pressure. If you get Pitocin I would strongly consider an epidural.
I wish you the best experience possible so you can fully enjoy the delicious package of pink in your arms afterwards.
xo
J.
PS: I love your pregnant pic.
January 23rd, 2010 at 7:13 pm
I’ve personally dealt with anxiety attacks my whole life. It started when I was just a child and I’ve had to deal with them since then. I’ve finally figured out that has helped me get them done once and for all. I will tell you that it wasn’t quick or easy, but after a while I was able to finally get rid of them. I’m back on track and its like I’ve started a new life not having panic attacks. I also saw a Dr. Oz special a few days ago, sometimes it isn’t a panic attack that is the root of the problem, I’d also recommend talking to your doctor. Best of luck!