Sat 30 Aug 2008
name of the rose, and other mysteries
Posted by bon under pregnancy stuff
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we went out to the market this morning.
upon return, in amongst the weekend flyers dragged in from the porch advertising marvellous Walmart specials and bizarre lawn ornaments i can’t imagine anyone wanting to buy, i found a book. an apparently new book, with price tag still attached. not the sort of book that usually comes with the sales ads…there’s not a single Huggies coupon in the thing.
it is titled What NOT To Name Your Baby.
how this mysterious tome came to grace my kitchen table, i do not know. i do know that the book is quite entertaining, despite the fact that Oscar is among the more than one thousand names it sardonically prohibits…i’ve come to expect the world to take a bit of a piss on that front. we’re fair game. in North America, having a kid named Oscar perpetuates a rather thick skin in a parent. yep, like the Grouch. he’s our favourite muppet. or, yes, we LOVE Academy Award season. (insert sarcasm as necessary). my favourite…oh yes, we call his penis the Oscar Meyer weiner…we picked the name for that very reason! (that last is a fictional response to a real question posed to me by an elderly woman on the street one day. charming.)
i have vague suspicions that the anonymous book donor may actually be a worried grandparent, afraid that we’ll either call the baby Elmo or Miss Piggie this time round (my father’s family are vastly tickled by their oft-repeated and immensely clever jokes on this front) or that we do, in fact, actually plan to continue calling her Hughloise after her arrival. we don’t…we just like telling my mom that. her middle name’s Louise, so we say it’s for her. then she turns this gorgeous, flustered red. very fun.
(if in the colossally unlikely case that five separate ultrasounds were wrong and she is actually a he, i’m betting that Dave will cave and actually let me call him Hugh, but that’s as close as we’ll really get to Hughloise. his half of the creation – Heloise, for the twelfth-century errant abbess – never quite made it onto my lists. i like old names and all, but not ones that call to mind those Hints from Heloise newspaper columns of my childhood. i never liked her mayonnaise recipes one bit.)
if we’re casting our thanks/aspersions in the wrong direction, though, and anyone out there would like to take credit for the kind and mysterious gift of What Not to Name Your Baby, please speak now. i think you’ve already said your piece.
and if anyone has any naming suggestions – preferably in the realm of “austere yet dowdy”, no cute Kaylees or eltra-femme Larissas or neologic McBritneylyns need apply, fine names though those may be (or not, ahem) for other people’s children – bring ‘em on. right now, we’re kinda taken by Hortense, inexplicably NOT an entry in the book…think of the nicknaming possibilities!!***
i wonder if we should start locking our door when we go out?
***uh, kidding on Hortense.




August 30th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Hi there! Beck sent me this way…
I can’t believe someone gave you that book!
From someone who people think named her daughter after Bob Marley (as if!) I like the following names:
Cecily (my friend just named his daughter Cicely, but I like Cecily better)
Ruth (this is my friend’s middle name, she hates it, but I love it)
I also have friends who have daughters named Imogen and Iris. Imogen has really grown on me (the name) although I do have little fits where I think if Imogen Coca.
Our Hughlouise eqivalent was Logan Hogan (they rhyme with our last name).
When’s the baby due?
August 30th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
I have a friend who just named her baby girl “June” and I’m really smitten with it. Uncommon but not unusual, classy but un-pretensious. I can’t wait to find out what you and Dave choose..
August 30th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
I think that Heloise is a great name.
anon.
August 30th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
dear Anon at 2:46…why are you using Dave’s email address?
and Mary-Lue…i love Imogen. spent the whole drive back from Halifax last weekend crushing on it. it’s a dark horse, probably in third or fourth spot at the moment, but a contender.
Binky…June is cool. Juno was actually my top girls’ name when i got pregnant last time ’round, but the movie has kinda shot it to a prominence that doesn’t really appeal to me.
August 30th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
A woman after my own heart. I love “austere but dowdy.”
Verity, Priscilla, Rosemary, Jane, Wren, Iris, Lydia, Vivian, Josephine, Helen, Hester. Yes, I like Hester. I’ve never had the courage to use it, but I like it all the same. Also tempted by Lester for a girl b/c of Charles Williams’ novel, All Hallows’ Eve.
August 30th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Oh, I don’t think you ARE kidding about Hortense. I. Don’t. Think. You. Are.
August 30th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
there was a website dedicated to things you shouldn’t name your child around the time Bella was born — my favorites were Latrina and Alpacino.
I love the canadian pronunciation of Hugh. Knew a Canadian by that name, once. Sadly, my tongue makes it come out “ew” or “ugh.” But up there? Great.
But we’re doing girl’s names, aren’t we. sigh. I’m with you, but the classic is making a comeback, witness the Emmas, Ellas, Hannahs, Sarahs, etc. I like Heloise (and Eloise of Plaza fame).
August 30th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
zoe. since i am done and they were boys, i hereby declare you may use zoe if it touches you. greek for life. what more do you need in a name?
i am enjoying these wonderful witty posts. you are one funny woman and one talented writer.
and the oscar meyer bit really got a good laugh out of me, one i much needed. people say the oddest things in regards to children.
August 30th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
I’ve always been fond of Evelyn. Although Dorcas Hortense has a nice ring too.
August 30th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
I just received Septembers subscription to Parents magazine, The front cover reads “226 brilliant baby names”
Here are just a few ..
London, Charlotte, Aspen, Diana, Catherine, Janis, Shera, Dia, Gaia, Luisa, Carlota, Genevieve, Soleil, Amélie, Lotus
August 30th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
Wow! That was bold and yet, not bold, since it was an anonymous gift. Too funny.
I LOVE names and the name game, so of course I have to play. My current favorites are Aubrey (so classic), Leila (long A, like leyla) and Naava (Hebrew for beautiful). I also love Elise, which sounds like Heloise, but you know, isn’t
Good luck. I know you’ll pick something perfect.
August 30th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
you guys have good taste. i like Zoe and Evelyn, Leila (pronounced Lee-la) was one of my great-grandmothers’ names and made my short list, and Josephine is in the top 2.
Tracy, i had to laugh at finding Janis, Charlotte and London all on the same list. i think they were trying to spread a wide net for tastes! i love Genevieve…and Louisa. Lotus is a little, erm, stripper-esque?
Dorcas rocks. pity the child has to suffer through junior high and like, going out in public. otherwise it’d be perfect.
the book-gifting culprit has announced herself. my stepmother.
August 30th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
ach, if you had heard Hortense said by that french actor in that french movie I watched you would be naming her Hortense let me tell you.
I love the names Ophelia and Tallulah.
August 30th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
I love the name Emmeline.
August 30th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
Ooh yes, I’d move Louise or Louisa to the front name spot. And I am very partial to Josephine since that’s almost my daughter’s name.
Two more oldies that I love are Elsa (or Ailsa) and Flora.
August 30th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
I mean the FIRST name spot. Instead of middle.
August 30th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
willa. yvonne. a second vote for emmeline.
good luck!
August 30th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
Clara, like my great-grandma.
Elinor.
Lydia.
And I had a grandmother named Iona. Lovely!
August 30th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
Josephine was one of our top 5 along with Rook, Jun (pronounced Joon but with that spelling means “truth”) and Aleksandra. We ended up going with Sabine for her literary reference in the Griffin and Sabine books…
I think what you name her is almost as important as why. Our first is named Indiana (we call her Indy) and yes it is mostly after Indiana Jones (although Anna is also my favorite traditional girls name so I wanted her to have that option one day). He is the perfect mixture of character with intellect as well as an intense adventuresome spirit. It fits her to a T.
I’m sure whatever you come up with will fit her perfectly too. We’ve had many annoying conversations with family about names after our first and I found it rather comical.
Oh and Oscar was in our top 5 if we’d had a boy…alas.
August 30th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
Hazel, Willow, Linden, Dahlia. Can you tell I have been gardening?
She will be amazing no matter what you name her.
August 30th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
My all time favorite girl name is Ruth. My husband HATES the name, so I’ll never get the chance to use it. Oscar and Ruth – that sounds good. Yes, you should definitely name her Ruth:)
August 30th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
Isla, Hallie, Addie, Nora, Frances or Francesca (Frankie?), Willow. And I love Josephine (Josie?), because it’s the name of one of my dearest friends.
I do love Heloise though. Or, as many have said before me, Eloise. And she’ll have many lovely books to read with her name in them
August 30th, 2008 at 10:18 pm
Altantsetseg means golden flower in mongolian.
Tarangini means river in sanskrit.
Iolana means soar like an eagle in hawaiian.
Hey, this is fun!
How about Firenze, which means blossom in hungarian? Or Quetzalxochitl, which means queen in ancient Aztec?
Yeah, yeah. I know. I’m hopeless. I could give you five hundred fantastic boy names, but can’t think of a girl one to save my life.
August 30th, 2008 at 10:20 pm
Lauren
Isobel
Posey (it’s just so Brit, you know?)
Beatrice
I’m sure I’ll be back with more.
Oh and there’s an Edie in town that I quite like. Hers is short for Edith which was my gram’s name but you wouldn’t have to use the full dowdy version. My other grandma’s name was Esther–a name I adore. Also Elsbeth.
Tell me, is my daughter’s name in your “What not to” book b/c I’ve certainly received more than a few raised eyebrows from the anti-dowdy set?
August 31st, 2008 at 7:44 am
A second vote for Elinor.
Alyssa is feminine yet strong, and I am with Mayberry on Ailsa.
Grace is my number one pick.
Does Dave do the thing my husband – and all male relatives and friends did – try out all the potential nicknames inherent in the name?
And test to see if the initials of the first middle and last names spelled out anything that could potentially be used as an insult on the playground?
(As an example, he took Barack Obama – BO – and proclaimed “Stinky” would be the US presidential heir presumptive’s nickname around the basketball net).
Maybe this is just a male baby boomer preoccupation. I don’t know.
Your stepmom gave you the book – I’m assuming it’s either a sweet and helpful thing or a nod to irony? (Though maybe I’m drifting into the Alanis Morrissette definition of irony here).
August 31st, 2008 at 10:58 am
Well people think my name is stipper-ish, or a family pet, so I guess my favorite Skylar fits.
But I like Ophelia as mentioned above and Grace. Another name I like, but always thought would be a big name to fill is Mary. Just Mary. Not Mary-anne, -jane or
-ellen etc.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:14 pm
I can’t help loving the name Jane, especially in the same authoresque vein as Oscar (which was also my first [and still unused] pick for a boy’s name). Though I think Charlotte is completely ethereal, and Elsbeth? Enchanting.
Do you already have a name picked out, or are we actually being helpful? Either way, it’s fun to daydream dowdy, austere names.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:45 pm
We had a boy, so I didn’t get to use my extensive list of classic/traditional girls names.
Elizabeth; Anne; Jane; Clare (Claire); and, after reading about Eleanor of Aquitaine, I have to add her name to the list.
When I was a kid, I HATED my name. Now, I am glad I only know a few people with my same name. I also love the fact that there are like 67 nicknames, so I don’t have to use the formal one. But I do.
Good luck!
August 31st, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Annelise has been a secret old-fashioned favorite of mine. I couldn’t use it (as it turned out, Hubby’s best friend in school was also Ann Elise), but there it is. Back in the lexicon. I believe it means graceful light.
My baby girls were going to be
Ella Katherine (in ‘04, before everyone picked Ella) or Catherine Jane (after several relatives and friends) — much too mainstream for you, I think.
Fun thread! I love Emmaline too, as suggested by another commenter.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:06 pm
still all gooey over the lovely suggestions…i am such a name nerd.
no, we really haven’t decided…so the ideas are helpful. Elspeth and Elsbeth and Elsa are gorgeous to me, but i’m set on using Eleanor somewhere in there after my grandmother, and i think the double el- combo is a bit redundant. luckily, as both the boys were given two middle names (Finn my mother’s maiden name, Oscar my own surname), we’ll use three names this time too so it gives us some room to play with combos.
Whymommy, i like Katherine/Katharine a lot, but we’ve agreed against using names of any living family members.
Isla made our top five b/c it’s where Dave’s favourite single malt comes from (okay, Islay, same pronunciation).
Beck, i love Ione and Iona (i like Scottish-y names, if that wasn’t clear)…but they’re not selling ’round these parts.
Mad, Posey is one of the Josephine nns i like…and the only one Oscar can pronounce. so we may end up with that de facto if we go with Josephine. and nope, no entry for your girl’s name!
August 31st, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Ailsa (knew a girl named it and she was one of the nicest, most norse people I’ve ever met), Audrey (my grandparents’ cottage neighbour and a lovely soul), Margaret (Peggy for short), Joan, Imogen, Maude (from Harold and ), Maureen, Ethel, Beryl, Florie (my great great aunt and totally crazy), Elinor and my granny’s name – Carrie. Henriette is very lovely if you can get people to say it the french way, and I’m a big fan of Josephine (Jo for short).
August 31st, 2008 at 3:49 pm
lydia is lovely, and if this bean was a girl she would have been grace elizabeth…we have friends with a nuala, which i looove…
so glad you are almost there!! sorry i’ve been absent!! hang in there!! xoxo
August 31st, 2008 at 5:05 pm
Ruby. You should name her Ruby.
I seriously dig that name, and it’s funny, because my dad used to joke he wanted to name me ‘Ruby Begonia.’ Of course, as a kid, growing up in the era of Jenny and Michelle, I found that hideous. Nowadays: that name would have rocked.
Heloise: very cool, too.
Can’t wait to finally ‘meet’ her here, just a few more weeks down your road…by the way, how IS Oscar adjusting to the idea of a new friend?
August 31st, 2008 at 10:37 pm
Someone already said Vivian, but Vivian. My partner nixed it, but I totally love it for a little one. Also, you’d think not so much for a tiny kid, but Vivi is really sweet. Also, I’ve noticed a few people have suggested Emmeline, we’ve recently met a super cool 2 year old with that name, although spelled Emaline, which I think I like better.
September 1st, 2008 at 12:42 am
i’ve always been a fan of Jane.
and then there is something else, like Poet.
September 2nd, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Didn’t your great-grandmother or great-aunt or something (can you see I’m too lazy to look it up?) have some kind of very cool Greek-ish name?
Otherwise, how ’bout: Myrtle, Mabel, Sylvia, Adeline, Minerva, Ottalie, Naomi, Agatha, Verity, Maude, Maxine, Bronwen/Bronwyn, Zelda, Adelia, Myra
September 2nd, 2008 at 1:58 pm
one of my grandmothers was Thisbe, Niobe, yeh. i like it.
Bronwen and Maud are top contenders for middle names…Maud is a family name, Bronwen was what my parents nearly called me.
September 2nd, 2008 at 2:34 pm
If I had a super-excellent name in my family like Thisbe, I would definitely use it. But that’s just me….
September 2nd, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Kate
Bronwyn
Maya
Ella
Lily
September 3rd, 2008 at 12:57 am
Eleanor and I suggest Elspeth.
I was sort of sorry to not apply that one myself. And it is true Ruth is way-hay-hey underrated.
September 3rd, 2008 at 1:01 am
I meant to vent my anger that due to an unfavoured in-law auntie my husband forbade me to modify my own great grannie’s name.
Charlotte Minerva
Minerva!!! I mean that sort of kicks ass doesn’t it?
And I had a good friend named Evadne
September 3rd, 2008 at 7:03 pm
You’re so funny! Naming is hard.
September 4th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
a friend of mine just had a little girl and named her anais sunset. i wish she had stuck with the original choice — clementine. i also love the name hazel. i like to think about what name works for a kidlet both in preschool and in the nursing home.
September 4th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
I’m loving Lydia and Emmeline myself
September 4th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
Eleanor? Eleanor and Naomi are top of my list should we have another baby eventually. Also, Margaret. It’s old school, and Maggie is just a great nickname.
September 6th, 2008 at 1:20 am
What does it say about Munchen Everhardt? That name rules.
September 6th, 2008 at 11:47 pm
My maternal grandmother was Evelyn June. She hated the Evelyn and went by June, Junie as a girl. If I thought that I could call my daughter June and not cry every time I said it, I would have. (Grandma passed when I was 15.) So it had to be a middle name. As far as I’m concerned my daughter picked her own first name, tossing out the Elizabeth *I* liked for something she whispered in my ear one day when I was driving. So if she doesn’t like it, it’s her own damn fault. I was thinking that Elizabeth has sooooo many nicknames that it would be perfect, but she had other ideas.
September 10th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Ruby, Sylvia, Evelyn & Charlotte were my favorites. We got three girls and I didn’t get to use one of those names. My husband was down with old fashioned but notsomuch with austere. So we have a Claire, a Grace and an Audrey. Whose middle name is Margaret becaue dangit, I needed that.
Best wishes with the babe!
February 17th, 2009 at 1:41 am
I really liked your blog! Stumbled your page now. Thanks
March 3rd, 2009 at 1:57 am
sry i just know how to write my name in arabic
) anyway however in arabic when i read some thing like that i just say “raee” i donot know how to say it in english . thanks
November 19th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
There is nothing like returning to a place that remains unchanged to find the ways in which you yourself have altered.