Mon 1 Sep 2008
they are what they eat?
Posted by bon under stuff stuff, stuff to buy
for the past nine days, Oscar & Dave & i have been home together, just the three of us. the sitter’s on vacation, as is Dave, and i’m home anyway, so it’s a last gasp at summer for us as a family, and a last chance - knock wood - to do stuff as a threesome.
it’s been a bit on the rainy side, and mindless wandering around the local timewarp that is The Mall is morbidly depressing, so we haven’t necessarily filled our time with as many outings as we’d imagined.
but amidst the walks and the swims at the park, we checked out a couple of local attractions and brunched and had tea and took O for his inaugural bumper car ride with Daddy. big fun.
everywhere we went there were kids’ menus. and christ in a handbag, no wonder our culture has an epidemic of childhood obesity.
truth is, the amusement park probably hasn’t changed its menu in forty years: hotdog, hamburger, or deep-fried chicken bits, all with a side of fries or onion rings and pop. not health food, but as an occasional treat, no biggie. especially if a kid only gets out for a treat a few times in a summer.
but everywhere has menus like this, these days, at least where we are. and when on holidays, one can be everywhere - eating out - more than a few times in a summer. i have apparently been living in a bucket, happily oblivious to the contents of these craptastic wonders, because i haven’t had a child old enough to be interested in eating from them until now. but suddenly Oscar has reached an age where he’s noticing that other kids aren’t eating the yogurt or dish of cottage cheese dragged from mommy’s bag; where pilfering dad’s toast & eggs at the diner is not entirely a sufficient meal unto itself.
and it seems that the rite of passage of having his own plate means he can now choose from a wide array of white-flour-based, deep-fried, nitrate- and preservative-saturated foods. in quantities that would suffice for most adults. oh, independence.
i’m really not a sprout Nazi, or anything. my kid likes Elmo crackers, and eats cupcakes now and then. but for the most part we do try to make sure his diet has more nutrients in it than unpronounceable additives. we just don’t buy white bread or white pasta. the store-brand organic breakfast cereals around here now cost less than the brand-name non-organic Raisin Bran or Shreddies, and we made fudgesicles this summer out of chocolate soy milk. if Oscar liked hamburgers - he’s gone off meat, our little Smith’s fan - i’d happily serve them to him. but seriously? with fries and pop? when he’s two? even when he’s ten, i’d really like him to have a few more alternate options. healthy choices shouldn’t be something that magically appear with puberty.
to me, when McDonald’s appears to have the healthiest kids’ menu in town - because you can at least get apple slices and juice with your white-bread-wrapped grilled cheese - there’s something kinda weird about that.
i know, first-time parent naiveté. i do get that a few meals out is not going to destroy my child’s health or digestive tract, and that with some kids, getting them to eat anything at all is a huge success. we’re lucky that way - O turns up his nose at a lot of things, especially vegetables, but would live on tomatoes and avocadoes if we let him. that’s just how it turned out. but he also had his very first non-soy hot dog only last week, so the options he’s been given do have something to do with the tastes he’s developed. is it just where we happen to live - in one of Canada’s fattest provinces - that circumscribes the kids’ menu options to such blatantly and exclusively unhealthy fare? is it just me who thinks this kinda sucks? or do most kids between four and twelve in North America live on a steady diet of processed snacks and sugar and hotdogs? seriously?
shine the light for me, people. am i fighting a losing battle on this one? when you eat out - if you eat out - what do your kids eat? what’s your philosophy regarding kids and diet?













September 1st, 2008 at 11:52 am
Well, you are fighting a losing battle if you try to ban this stuff, but it sounds like you don’t mind once in a while.
Forbidden fruit is the surest way in my experience to make something more desirable. So, when at amusement parks we bring some snacks in the backpack and mix them in to the crap. Like if they want the fries, they have to eat some of the carrot sticks. Loblaws has some items in their Little Chef line that help, like prepacked single serve veggies and flavoured milk in drink boxes that doesn’t have to be refridgerated. We freeze yogurt tubes to make them like freezies and I purposely try to search out places like sub restaurants so I can order sandwiches which extra veg and less mayo, pickles, and cheese. (fattiest, saltiest, items on a sub)
I also make a rule that there is no pop at home, that it is a special treat for restaurants.
I have gotten a little slacker on this as they get older, because I’ve seen that their diet is overall a good one.
That said, you might want to email this post or a letter like it to some of the amusement park owners and let them know that your patronage depends on them getting a better variety of foods.
September 1st, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Eh, when we eat fast food, we eat fast food (which isn’t super often, so I figure no big deal). At home, though, we try to eat a wide variety of healthy food. We don’t enforce a clean plate rule (who wants to battle over something that should be enjoyable?), but we do encourage our preschooler to try everything, and she enjoys all sorts of foods from salad to Brie. The “no big deal” approach has worked pretty well for us so far!
September 1st, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Well, from my horrible example, I would say to balance what gets eaten out with better options like milk to drink and no fries, etc.
I am the worst when it comes to nutrition for my kids. I grew up eating fried foods, no vegetables, etc. We were also fairly poor (relative to our area) and there was not a lot of extra food around.
Combine that with all the aspects of parenting that need to be juggled and I tend to drop the nutrition ball–heck, I often don’t even try to juggle it.
(You didn’t know you were going to get a true confession when you asked your question, did you?)
September 1st, 2008 at 1:58 pm
The look on his face is priceless - bumpercars rock!
On the food front, I’m with Aurelia and ususally bring something healthy to add into the crap that’s out there.
And it’s not just there, crap kids menus are everywhere.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:36 pm
We eat out MAYBE once a week, and then it is - yep - McDonalds, because they have some reliably gluten free options on the menu, and that is a BIG deal for The Baby. So she gets to have fries and a carton of milk (not the chocolate kind, either, which is processed with wheat products. Thanks, milk people.), and feels normal. But the rest of the time, we have a very healthy diet, and my kids are dandy eaters. Another important thing, in my books, is not making any food feel too tempting by its absence, you know? My parents where VERY against any sort of junk food, and both my brother and I went through a very unhealthy phase of being OBSESSED with it in our early 20s.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:37 pm
We’ve been really fortunate that Swee’pea is a great eater. He eats lots of quantity AND variety. Some days he’s not keen on veggies but the next day he’ll just ask for fruit and veg all day, so I generally trust his requests. We haven’t done the whole day-long outing thing, so we’ve always been able to balance a crappish meal with better stuff through the rest of the day. He’s never had pop - we always get white milk when we’re out. Diluted juice is his big treat. I figure he’ll cotton on soon enough and in the meantime we’ll keep his choices as limited and healthy as possible.
September 1st, 2008 at 3:01 pm
We lose. A lot.
2 parents working with no help means TIRED, and yes, we capitulate often.
I have a different perspective though.
My mother was a NAZI about what I ate as a child, aside from Sunday night when we’d get chips and pop with hamburgers. (Let’s not talk about the 50’s grease wonders she called good food though). All I ever wanted was Kraft Dinner or McDonalds or KFC, things we never EVER had.
After she died, I had them, and more. See, I never learned how to enjoy these things in moderation because I never had them. He one weakness, Coke, which she never let me have, passed on to me somehow..
Mine love eating out, but they also love good stuff. I make it ALL available to them, empahsizing they eat ONLY until hungry. I find that the harder battle, especially with older relatives-letting them learn THEIR boundries.
At the end of the day, I figure my job is to help them figure out how to eat, and I try and focus on that.
At least, that’s what I tell myself.
September 1st, 2008 at 4:09 pm
oh boy, oh boy… you oughta be glad you do not live close by or I would have been over at your breakfast table right away, spewing my opinions all over you until the cows come home.
erm, short answer: yeah, losing battle. one thing I learned after I became a mum- they do not shit care about your kids’ health. NO. The money does the talking. If they can get get away with feeding you shit, they WILL.
but then again, I think a lot depends on lifestyle. and I agree with the poster who talked about forbidden fruit back-firing. we just talk a lot about the meaning of food, the politics of food, moderation, the quality of food, blah blah blah…
when we eat out, which is seldom, we seldom order from the kids’ menu. we order ala carte, making sure there is protein, carbs, VEGETABLES, and if the dessert is worthy we’ll spring for it. but most times, we eat at home, because there are too few places where I feel ok about bringing my kids to.
September 1st, 2008 at 4:32 pm
just read ominovore’s dilemma. scared me shitless as to the direction our food production is going and to the landscape our children will inherit when it comes to eating. i am with you in every point you have made. my boys exist on very little right now as they are navigating the world of toddler and choices. but organic fruit vs. fruit snacks is my decision for them. as is the occasional otter pop for a treat. when they get older the challenge will be in convincing them they do not need mc d’s, that home food is fine. not looking forward to that battle. but willing to take it on for their sake.
September 1st, 2008 at 5:24 pm
KayTar can eat whatever/whenever…which means she chooses nothing/never most of the time. SIGH.
BubTar, we let him eat that sort of thing when we’re out and about.
September 1st, 2008 at 6:49 pm
I have been thoroughly disappointed with kids menus here (Seattle). There are a few choice restaurants with good options for smaller portions (usually sides or appetizers) that are healthy and we tend to always go to those same places. I happen to have a two year old girl who is tiny, like totally healthy but not even on the weight charts tiny, who eats like a teenage boy. We used to share our meals with her until it became clear it was just not enough. Now she gets her own meal but rarely off the kids menu. I think most restaurants bottom line is money and the meals they present for kids is where they skimp and save by using processed options rather than the fresh whole foods they might use for adults (depending on the quality of the restaurant). We live right in the city so we end up going out far to often than I’m comfortable with out of desperation and exhaustion so the crappy kids menu just doesn’t end up being a viable option for us when it is more than one meal every once in awhile.
My food philosophy with my girl and myself could be summed up in two statements. One: Whole food is always better than processed food and Two: everything in moderation. I try to hold to those two rules of thumb and we end up eating pretty healthy.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:31 pm
Really, it’s the fattest province? I didn’t know that. Must be the carbs in the spuds. Well deep fried carbs in the spuds.
I’m not strict on diet, mostly because I dont’ have to be. I eat mostly heathly, Mart eats mostly heathly and we (luckily) don’t have weight problems, so a cookie or two for desert is fine by me. About 1/4 of the time they’re made by me. Not that theres any less sugar, but at least there is only 4 ingredients. Plus the only sensitivity in the house now is strawberries. Reiley grew out of everthing else. We don’t deep fry, and it’s an unwritten rule of no sugar until afternoon.
Reiley hates pop. Only started eating pizza this year (yup he’s nearly 12!) For bad sweets in the house I have chocolate covered granola bars. I don’t think I’m doing too bad.
Owen likes pop, (thanks alot Mimi. Arg) but its not allowed. For grown ups only. We know that won’t last long but we try. He asks for it without the Pirate stuff in it. Now theres a commercial for Captain Morgan. (parent of the year right here)
They don’t eat chips, popcorn is a treat.
When we eat out, it’s hard. They don’t like the sandwiches from Subway. (half the time those sandwich artist suck!) So off to McDs for a hamburger meal with just ketchup and chocolate milk. We all hate KFC and Pizza Delight is a REAL treat.
As for meat, well I’m a beef farmer….I know whats in it (nothing, its organic), I know what it ate, I know who it’s mother and father are/were. To get the best meat find a farmer, most beef farmers sell freezer meat, and many organic growers raise/sell chicken and beef and if you’re lucky eggs. Go to a farmers market.
My kids LOVE veggies. They like raw best. I grow them, or buy local. I’d rather wash local carrots then eat organic california ones. What I wish I could get organic is milk. (but that too would have to be local)
I keep the two rules like Summer. Plus its easy to teach to the kids.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:33 pm
I really struggle with this whole issue. I have had difficulty making my own good choices my whole life, consequently I spend a considerable amount of time thinking about how to help my kids develop a healthy relationship with food. My husband and I have a few rules of thumb… and I hope they will help my children in the long run. We stress an active lifestyle, trying to lead by example… We talk to the kids about what various foods are for and how they help their bodies work. We teach them about portion size and moderation with certain foods. Would love it if someone could recommend a good book about this topic.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Yep, kids menus are crap. We have actually only just been able to get Euey to eat nuggets or anything like that (except fries, our bubbas looove potatos in any form, suprise suprise). I’m not adverse to the odd nugget, after all there is some protein in there amongst the deep friedness. But the choices are seriously limited huh? I always have fruit and sandwiches in my bag and if we go out the kids usually eat those or we get them some chips (fries). I figure considering their diet is pretty fat-limited most of the time a bit of deep fried potato can’t hurt if it’s followed by an apple. The best eating-out food I’ve found (that seems to be on most cafe menus around here) is quiche. Egg, spinich, tomato, bit of bacon, can’t go wrong. It’s probably easier with more than one kid, cause you can just get something they’ll eat off the adults menu and 1/2 it.
Still, Bon, I have to ask - why the soy hotdogs? And what the hell is a soy hotdog anyway, I thought soy was a substitute for milk!? (Please excuse my alternative food ignorance).
September 1st, 2008 at 9:54 pm
Ahem. Clears throat. I do believe I live in the fattest province. Or is it the province with the highest childhood obesity rates AND lowest standardized test scores. Whatever the hell it is, we are definitely giving your wee Isle a run for its carb-infused money.
So, in short, don’t even get me started on this one. We never go out for dinner. Ever. We cook better than pretty much all the restaurants in town and that, m’dear, is not boasting. We do like to go out for brunch but that leaves fresh fruit waffles that are heavy on the fruit and eggs with whole wheat toast.
Our rules for Miss M is that nothing is off limits but we mainly offer healthy choices in the home along with indulgent desserts here and there.
September 1st, 2008 at 10:19 pm
Nope, you’re not alone. Same crummy kid menu choices in Ohio, USA. Mine usually go for the hot dogs or macaroni and cheese option, though Meg (7yo) has branched out to hamburgers, steak, ribs or pizza.
How do we handle it? We don’t eat out often. When we do, it’s a treat, so I try not to sweat it too much. And I really limit the Mac & Cheese at home to nights when a sitter is coming or I am just too darn tired to care. (I tried the wheat stuff - it was yucky and twice the price). We also encourage them to get a vegetable as their side instead of fries. Often one will get fries and one a veg and they both split both.
One must tread lightly on the forbidding of food. Anything forbidden is instantly glamorized, so we are careful to not forbid, but to carefully limit what and when…
By the way, juice and pop are junk food in our house. Have you SEEN how much sugar is in juice?! Emily (9yo) doesn’t like anything but water or chocolate milk. Meg will drink juice sometimes, but I buy vitamin and calcium enriched OJ so I don’t mind that as an occasional option. She’ll also drink root beer or Sprite, but it is never offered as an option. She had never tasted pop until Grandma gave it to her without asking us (because she knew we’d say no - isn’t that nice?!)
I’ve seen my niece (4yo) and nephew (2yo) drink an entire can of pop and ask for - and receive - more. It boggles the mind. But then again, they are also allowed to eat pretzels (and nothing else) for breakfast regularly and usually eat junk food right before dinner. They also get away with not eating dinner because they are full (of junk snacks), but when they want dessert, they get it anyway. Needless to say, we have issues with that and it DOESN’T happen at Auntie Deb’s house!!
And don’t even get me started on what’s served in school lunches…they pack 4 out of 5 days a week.
September 2nd, 2008 at 12:00 am
Yeah, it’s pretty bad. I have akid that will only eat about four foods, and none of them are a vegetable. Our pediatrician says just keep offering it and one day he’ll eat it. So far, no takers. He understands that we limit unhealthy food (he’s 6), but we have “junk food night” where he can get pizza or mcdonalds. It was much easier before school and TV and reading. Now he know his options, including the ones we don’t want him to have. I find that he is stronger then I am - he is able to go without food long enough that I will let him eat crap just to see him eat something. My advice - lay down the rules early and NEVER waver, and deal with grandparents harshly when they trivialize your food concerns. Eventually, you will lose, but you can stave it off as long as possible.
We eat out alot, and the same rules go as at home: no soda allowed, whole wheat bread intead of white, yogurt, fruit. You can get whole foods if you go off menu. I find most places are happy to accomadate the child if they are getting to serve two meals to the adults.
September 2nd, 2008 at 12:43 am
we do summer’s rules as well- we eat as well as we can, and we eat out, too, and try and expose the pnut to as much as possible, and she is a pretty good eater, except when it’s a power thing.
we do let her have “chicky-fries” (mcd’s, etc.) which to us is better than the fake beef they call fast food hamburgers here. pnut was always so tiny that we never worry about obesity- fat calories, any calories were a good thing. in a diner or restaurant she likes to have her own soup, sweet potato fries, breakfast for dinner, etc. we rarely do the kids menu since it usually costs more than a few sides that are better tasting and better for her, plus we let her eat off our plates, too.
it gets harder as they have friends/more awareness what others are eating.
September 2nd, 2008 at 2:20 am
You need to read Omnivore’s Dilemma and In Defense of Food.
September 2nd, 2008 at 9:23 am
I think that photo says it all, dad’s arm tucked around Oliver to add to his protection. You just keep doing what you’re doing and you’ll have a kid who chooses well when faced with options.
We’re not so great at eating well. We do fresh vegetables really well and fruits. But we do have boxes and boxes and does it really matter what’s in it when it’s a box?
September 2nd, 2008 at 11:58 am
Oh, I meant to mention the time we were staying at that swanky hotel down by the water near your place. We ordered a grilled cheese for Miss M from the menu b/c it was the only veg option. Of course it came grilled with a massive slice of ham in the middle. Ah, the Maritimes…
September 2nd, 2008 at 2:39 pm
When we go out for dinner, Isaac can eat what he likes - it’s only once a week, and like Thordora said, if everything is denied all the time you never learn how to eat the delicious tasty junk in moderation.
At home, we don’t buy white pasta or white bread, no pop, ice cream only at birthdays, etc. etc.
Easily-available junk food is a reality. Best thing you can do is let him have some, on particular occasions, and explain that it is a “sometimes food”.
September 2nd, 2008 at 3:15 pm
We pretty much have no rules when we eat out, mostly because we only eat out maybe once every two months. So if we go to McD’s they can have fries (the apples honestly skeeve me out. There must be preservatives involved to keep them looking white in that little cellophane package. Maybe it’s just lemon juice, but I’m skeptical). I even let the big kids have pop now, if they want, because it’s a rare treat at home. I order E. a chocolate milk because I’m really anti-pop for two-year-olds.
As an aside, my mom was forbidden many treats and never had pop growing up so we had A LOT of pop growing up. I have zero interest in drinking it now. Not that I’m advocating balls-out pop consumptio for kids, I’m just sort of backing up the “forbidden fruit” hypothesis that commenters before me put out there. I think letting them have junk now and then makes them less likely to overindulge in the future.
September 2nd, 2008 at 3:40 pm
We eat out about once a week, usually music-class night, and as long as protein is involved, I’m okay with whatever she wants (she’s 2) - though I admit I do not always read all the choices off the menu, and we choose our restaurants carefully - chains are usually for road trips.
At home, we try to avoid using processed ingredients and boxed food. So, we have pizza once a week, but Daddy made the crust, and Mommy made the sauce (and, soon, the cheese!). Like some other commenters, we are in the land of toddler food choices, so some days it is all about the blueberries and some days she can’t even look at a blueberry. Last week she cried for oatmeal for dinner, not the favorite chicken I’d actually made.
The “keep offering it” idea kills me with those “20 offers before its okay” statistics. But, every once in a while it works. Once, she stood up in her chair, pointed to a tomato in her dad’s salad and said, “I want that!” She got it. Last weekend at a party, she ate most of the guacamole. She hasn’t touched an avocado in about a year.
Toddler eating combined with choices out there…maybe not a losing battle, but a totally frustrating one! You’re not alone!
September 2nd, 2008 at 4:56 pm
okay, this had me at hello:
“and christ in a handbag”.
i’ve never heard that one, but i am still giggling.
yes, i would say a majority of kids live off of sugar and pre-packaged meals.
mine are vegetarian but i’m the most boring vegetarian ever so our diets are alot of cheese, eggs, beans, mexican, italian, soupls, fruit, peas/broccoli (the two greens they like) and salads. i get lazy and fix frozen pizzas often too. i think the worst thing about my kids diets is how repetitive it is. i’m not a cook, to say the least.
my rule has been that i would never eat anything that i wouldn’t feel good giving my kids. which means they get way more nibbles of dark chocolate than i ever would have wanted them to.
it also means there are no sodas in our house, our chips consist of pretzels and salt-n-pepper kettle chips (mmmmmm!). and we occasionally buy ice cream.
but, what our diet needs is more VARIETY. i’d love ideas on that!
oh, and “mek”: my daughter cries for oatmeal for every.single.meal.
September 2nd, 2008 at 5:04 pm
ps ditto to some commenters (and you) that we don’t buy white wheat/high fructose products. oh, and we differentiate between “growing food” and “treats”, meaning they have to eat some growing food before they get treats. it works. most of the time. heh-heh.
September 3rd, 2008 at 4:16 pm
I was a total food nazi with my first, then it slid a bit, then a bit more, then a bit more. with my second I was much more relaxed.
in truth, I wish their diet had less wheat and sugar. I blame their father. HAH!
Anyhow, they do make pretty good choices when offered many selections. And treats….well, I say give them.
September 4th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
Everything in moderation. I’m lucky in that my kids generally love veggies. Hannah even requests I cook beets (beets!) for dinner. If we venture to McD’s, fries are limited. I usually split a larger kid’s meal between the 2, so they’re sharing 6 nuggets and a small fry.
I look forward to them having more adventuresome palates. One day, hopefully we’ll be a family of 4 eating sushi together!
September 4th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
we don’t do fast food unless we’re traveling, and I’m DELIGHTED to tell you that Bella found her Happy meal toy prize wayyyyyy better than the food.
We go out with her for dinner occasionally, and if it’s not one of those “hell with it, let’s get a pizza” nights, we go to a place with a kid menu. And kid menus are kinda gross. But! I kill for a few quiet moments in a restaurant so I indulge her grilled cheese and french fry moment and roll with it. I save the “try this scallop! It’s delicious!” stuff for at home.
I’m pretty lucky; she tries things (when she’s hungry) and when she picks, its on the fruit/veggies. She claims broccoli is one of her favorites. So again, I indulge the occasional fry. I know I do.
September 7th, 2008 at 12:17 am
Nodding my head “yes” to the crappy kids menus. We have found one place where we actually indulge in white flour noodles like mac & cheese and beef stroganoff: Noodles & Co. But we hardly ever go out. We are both utter Nazis about white flour and corn syrup (reg & high fructose) and trans fats. Yucky, nasty trans fats. So to go out and split a side of mac & cheese while eating a yummy, veggie-full pasta primavera is a nice treat. Other than that they only get white flour if it’s something I’ve made so that we know exactly what all the other ingredients are.
As for veggies, my daughter LOVES them, peas especially, but my son won’t eat anything green. He used to be great and eat all veggies, but I ordered peas for him once on a hospital menu and that was it for green going in his mouth. He was 18 months old then, 3 years now, and he only has green if I sneak it in/hide it. Sad. I’m hoping that the girl doesn’t turn on me too.
We have found a local burger chain that does a nice chicken strip. They claim everything is local and organic and I’m choosing to believe them, hoping that my head isn’t in the sand. And since we go out maybe once every two or three months I really try to lighten up about it. Except the trans fats, because those never ever leave your body. At least that’s what my husband says. And he’s a computer programmer so he should know about trans fats, right?