Wed 29 Oct 2008
Obama, eat your heart out
Posted by bon under issue stuff
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so…we had an election, eh?
nah, i’m not time-travelling. up here in the Great White North, we cast our ballots two weeks ago. our conservative minority spent millions on an election…that resulted in another conservative minority. whee. curb my enthusiasm.
i’m a bit saturated with election talk this fall, from both sides of the border…though at least the races have been lively. (well, the American race is lively…and historic…and mind-boggling. a right smart honours degree in political science and i’m apparently still too thick to comprehend the true meaning of the word “socialist”. duh me.) up here the election proved largely a testament to the inherent clusterfuck of a five-party first-past-the-post electoral system.
to recap, for the non-Canucks, we have one national conservative party (relatively centrist by American standards), one separatist party (vive la Quebec libre), one traditional party called The Liberals (centrist, campaigned in part on an environmentalist carbon tax platform this time round), one traditional third party called the New Democrats (the closest we come to actual socialists, but still social democrats), and a more recently emergent Green Party (who failed to get any federal seats but did snag a chunk of the popular vote).
all parties had an environmental plan or strategy as part of their platform. for the Liberals and the Greens, it was particularly high-profile. together with the NDP, they captured 51% of the popular vote…compared to nearly 38% for the now-ruling minority government. we don’t do coalitions here much…rather a pity. but the line i’m suddenly hearing from major news outlets is…the environment failed as a political strategy. with all these crazy economic times befalling us, green is dead.
yikes.
the implication here is that because half of Canadians voted for a centrist or left-of-centre party with an environmental platform that was key to their campaign and would entail major changes to current policy (and we’re not even talking here about the Quebecois whose vote went to the separatist party, whose environmental policy aligns reasonably closely to the three aforementioned), Canadians don’t give two shits about the environment. nope, our politics are now solely about keeping money in our pocketses.
certainly, the fact that our national delegates just managed to keep lucrative Canadian asbestos off an international list of hazardous chemicals might suggest that that’s the tone our government plans to run with.
i’m angry about this little turn of the spin. because spin and rhetoric affect discourse…the ways people are able to think and talk about issues, about citizenship, about their lives. and a discourse that green is dead seems to me to handicap a groundswell that’s possibly too little, too late but still all we’ve got to build with in terms of, um, you know, maybe saving the planet. from ourselves. for our kids.
i think the media is doing us a disservice here, simplifying a complex electoral decision down to a “green is out, belt-tightening in” kind of message. particularly because it suggests that green initiatives are inherently more costly at the consumer/voter level…which is not true, as buying less imported crap and purchasing both less overall and locally where possible would be environmentally friendly and cheaper for many of us, if we cut the chaff and really did tighten our belts. the idea that we’re entitled to our current levels of consumption, despite the fact that across many sectors we’ve known for years they’re unsustainable, is at the root of the whole financial bust in the first place.
bah.
Canada will likely see another election within three years. when it comes, i hope that green platforms remain a visible part of the various campaigns…and i hope that even more citizens are willing to accept the notion of a little belt-tightening in order to make those platforms a viable reality. if we haven’t been spun back into complacency about the important things by all this stock market drama by then.
but hell, see…i really am a socialist.**
**okay, not really. i don’t even like pink. but compared to the US presidential candidates – either of them – i’m bleeding red. and bemused and aghast all at the same time by the McCarthyite parody the word seems to unleash south of the border. can anybody explain this to a poor brainwashed victim of socialized medicine?




October 29th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
My favorite Bon, I adore you. You may not know this, but I’m a liberal conservative, as one might be called down here ‘south of the border.’ I call myself this because I vote Republican, in general, (though I’m open to all candidates when the primaries start). I tend to be more socially liberal, though not in a socialistic way. I am more financially conservative, as many are.
This election is the one that made me learn all about politics, for the first time in my life. I can’t answer your fundamental question without explaining my life history, where my work ethic comes from, and a dissertation about my values on this subject. I can tell you that I am a giving, caring person who tries to think of others first. Is that a paradox, to be fiscally conservative and selfless? Perhaps, but I see the lines regarding taxes, welfare, health care drawn in a different way than the traditional Democrats do here, and the socialists.
One of my dearest, favorite friends is super liberal-socialist (funny, 90% of my friends are, LOL) and a month ago, we got into a political debate, on accident, at 9:30 pm. We were supposed to be making plans for the kids’ next day of school and somehow, some issue (politics) came up. She was aghast that I wasn’t a liberal thinker on the subject, and she was more upset that I just wasn’t a Democrat. She knew that I wasn’t, but this election has her in a true dither, and she, for the same reasons as I, wants her party to win this one. We didn’t speak for a week – not because of me, as I’ve known for three years she is a Democrat. But she needed to bring herself to a place of acceptance regarding my views. I’m no staunch conservative either. And since we had that little debate, I’ve actually done extensive research on health care, and I’m not happy with either plan, but really not satisfied with my party’s take. Conclusion: my friend and I are perfectly normal once again, politics remain under the bed for us (save for a chide here or there, in comfortable jest). I love that we have differences (the collective ‘we,’ I love that our nation celebrates different ideas. And if Obama wins, I will stand an applaud him. He’s a good man; I respect him. I just don’t agree with a lot of what he says he will do. Like my friend.
So, I’m not going to answer your question more lengthy than this, at least here. (We can always e-mail, if you really must know where I sit and why). I didn’t know Canada had so many ‘parties,’ actually. Interesting. Much love to you – your recent photos of Posey had me all warm and fuzzy inside.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:12 am
Jo…i get what you’re saying – i’m in my own way fiscally conservative, on a personal rather than a policy level, and socially liberal (i don’t think one can be socially socialist, it’s not the same political spectrum) – but what i just don’t get is whether this stuff about Obama the socialist is serious. are people actually buying that line? do they get that it’s a gross and flagrant misuse of the term as a scare tactic, and still buying it?
or does the spectacle only look bizarre from this vantage point, north of the border?
October 30th, 2008 at 1:17 am
I think, just like we don’t get all of the information about Canada, Canada doesn’t get all of the information about us. You know?
October 30th, 2008 at 3:02 am
bon- yes, plenty of folks here are buying it, i would suggest that the majority of those who are don’t really have any idea what the definition of socialism is (or if they are describing an economic, social, governmental structure, etc.) or what we currently have in the US that would be considered ‘socialist’ in the greatest stretch of the imagination (our law enforcement, fire departments, public education, sanitation, unemployment insurance, i could go on and on) that the same folks currently enjoy. i tend to think that these people are anti”socialist” policies only when they themselves don’t specifically benefit from the program/policy- which is just damned selfish, yet pretty well defines the american individualist ethos in way, yes? only *i* deserve x, not you people! sigh.
when i ask these folks what, exactly, ‘socialism’ is, i get a wide range of (mostly incorrect) answers- and i imagine they come from the cable ‘news’ station f*x which is pretty right-leaning and inflammatory. whish is both disappointing and frustrating- i don’t have a problem with conservatives or republicans as long as they can defend their opinions with facts and intelligence- i’m all for discussing why bigger and porkier gov’t doesn’t always serve the best interest of anyone but the very few at the top. it’s the ‘obama is a liberal-muslim-socialist-terrorist’ that drives me crazy.
the comparison to mccarthyism? oh, that scares the sh*t out of me- that and the racism that has flared up these past few weeks/months- disgusting and sinful. like effin 9/11 all over again! who’s a patriot? not you? get out of *my* country! for those of us who live within miles of ground zero, this is the most insulting mudslinging of all- how dare you accuse those of us who were actually affected in a very real and every day way by the attacks on 9/11 of being anti-american because of who we are voting for?
my fervent prayer is that obama wins in a landslide- a mandate that the past eight years were a mistake and that we as a nation are turning a page, beginning a new chapter, a new volume, even- and we can finally leave that nasty and putrid part of our history in the past forever. my hope is that enough of us are inspired by the thought of something better- and that we all play a part in it- by getting to the polls and bringing about the change we deserve.
p.s.- i’ve never met a liberal who considers themselves fiscally liberal- so there’s that.
October 30th, 2008 at 8:22 am
Ha, I don’t get the “socialist scare” either, and yes, it seems so very McCarthy. I know many, many Americans who cannot pay for their own medical care, while we in Europe pay nothing for hospital stays, doctor’s visits, and medicine. Health care, in my mind, falls squarely under the responsibility of the government — medical help should be a right, not a privilege for the wealthy. But then again, I’ve never been one of the particularly wealthy.
October 30th, 2008 at 9:54 am
The American Democratic party as a whole has shifted over the last decade to one that is more fiscally conservative and socially liberal than its reputation. And Bush, of course, was the exact opposite, which doesn’t exactly mean the Republican party is doing the reverse, but it may signal a trend that the traditional party models are shifting. I find that most Republicans still think of Dems as big government and big taxes and big spending – it is hard to change that perception, it will take a while.
I wouldn’t say I’m astonished at how little voters in my country actually know about their candidates – but it does make me a little heartsick. The inflaming talk – Obama is socialist, Marxist, a terrorist – that is disheartening, but even more disheartening is hearing people exclaim that McCain’s economic policy is better for America than Obama’s – and then I ask them what the two policies are – AND THEY HAVE NO IDEA. I frequently know more about McCain’s plan for America than McCain supporters know. Like another commentor said, I believe that good arguments can be made for a McCain presidency – but I’ve never heard anybody – layperson, McCain spokesperson, F*x News anchor – not heard ANYBODY argue them. Instead they resort to “I’m not voting for no Muslim socialist with the middle name HUSSEIN.” I wish I could get into a real discussion with an educated Republican without it devolving into namecalling.
And as for socialized medicine – oh dear. We are so afraid to pay more taxes for free health care, but meanwhile our system costs us thousands of dollars every year. We pay the money either way. I spent over $1000 to have a completely uncomplicated pregnancy and delivery, and only stayed in the hospital for 20 hours after the birth because I didn’t want to have to pay $250 more out of pocket for my room for another night. Would gladly have paid an additional couple thousand in taxes this year and spared myself the headache of insurance billing. And the stressing out (whilst in labor) that if I suffered complications it would cost us so much more. Money should not be what a laboring mama is worrying about!!!
October 30th, 2008 at 9:55 am
P.S. I was so interested in hearing about Canadian politics. I wish we had a less isolationist media in this country! I want to know more about our northern neighbors!
October 30th, 2008 at 11:17 am
This is all giving me a headache this morning. I’m going to take some Tylenol, since its all I’m allowed to have as a preggers person, and lay down. I’ve studied all this and there’s just no “perfect” candidate or plan. Of course, there’s no perfect anything except maybe our kids in our own eyes so I guess there never will be a perfect plan…
October 30th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
This is from my brothers blog post at tru-lifeadventures.com and I think answers your question.
From WBEZ, January 18, 2001 First link on that page, or you can “see” it on YouTube.
You know, if you look at the victories and failures of the civil-rights movement, and its litigation strategy in the court, I think where it succeeded was to vest formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples. So that I would now have the right to vote, I would now be able to sit at a lunch counter and order and as long as I could pay for it, I’d be okay, but the Supreme Court never entered into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society.
And uh, to that extent, as radical as I think people tried to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution — at least as it’s been interpreted, and Warren Court interpreted it in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties: [It] says what the states can’t do to you, says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf.
And that hasn’t shifted, and one of the, I think, the tragedies of the civil-rights movement was because the civil-rights movement became so court-focused, uh, I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive change. And in some ways we still suffer from that.
So, first paragraph: Redistribution of wealth, right there in his own words, he calls it political and economic justice. Second paragraph: even the most allegedly radical judges of the time were still letting the Constitution limit what the government can do. That’s what the Constitution is all about! It limits what the government can do can do by design, as well as who can do what! The Congress gets to write laws under defined guidelines, regulate interstate commerce, approve certain political appointments ,sign treaties, and declare war. The President is commander-in-chief of the armed forces, represents the US with other countries, negotiates treaties, appoints judges, gives Congress an annual report on the State of the Union, oh, and gets to decide whether those laws Congress writes get to actually become law. Then the courts (I’m severely paraphrasing things here) get the fun task of figuring out what the laws technically mean once average citizens start their inevitable disagreements. And they get to hold trials, which tend to be as unbearable cool as they are insufferably dull.
My point here is yes, the Constitution was designed from the get-go to limit the power of the federal government. The founders had tried a far weaker central authority with the Articles of Confederation, but that was a bit of an abject failure and even its strongest supporters were bright enough to admit that things needed a bit of tweaking. Having come out from under a monarchy, they didn’t want their new, stronger to ever have that much power.
All of which is a long way to go to say that if Obama still thinks the Constitution is an obstacle to his goals (and again, that quote up there is talking about classical Marxism again), then he should either rethink his goals in light of his possible upcoming Oath of Office–to protect and defend the US Constitution against all enemies, foreign or domestic–or he needs to not be running this campaign.
Or am I wrong?
October 30th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
I’m so sorry that I didn’t clarify, that is Barak Obama talking in the beginning and my brother examining what he has to say.
So is it still ignorance if you believe what the man says about himself?
October 30th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
i don’t even like pink. but compared to the US presidential candidates – either of them – i’m bleeding red
When I read this, I did a double take. Because here in the US, the color red is now so closely associated with the Republicans that it’s hard for me (American provincial that I am) to remember that, for the rest of the world, it means something else.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
Traci, i guess the thing is that i no more see advocacy of redistributive change as classical Marxism than i do civic services like firefighters. or the progressive tax system that the US has had in place for generations…these ARE redistribution of wealth. these are tenets of democratic systems…and no democracy in the world (to the extent that any country is an example of democracy) functions without them. but the quote and your read on it does go a way to explain to me how worldviews impact the way the word “socialist” gets interpreted…so thanks for that. as a Canadian, the conversation about constitutional limits and the conversation about redistribution (which is already happening) don’t even seem particularly related to me.
to me, the Obama quote sounds like an explication of how enfranchisement needs to be genuine in order to be empowering…and what i would take from that is that he thinks the already-occurring redistribution of wealth needs to be potentially re-structured so as to be more equitable for the marginalized…NOT that it needs to be increased, necessarily. (personally, i don’t believe that more money even equals less marginalization…)
trust me, the bafflement is genuine. but i guess it comes down to discourse, and the fact that politically, across our continent, almost mutually exclusive discourses exist side-by-side.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
lol, Niobe…i guess i could seem like a commie or a Republican just depending on where one was standing.
it’s funny…here in Canada, red is liberal and blue conservative, so the first online visual i ever saw of the American electorate with the red states and blue states (back in 2000) quite baffled me, too.
do you know whether red was associated with Republicans and conservatism in general back in the McCarthy era, with the “red” scare? cause that would’ve been confusing.
October 30th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
So much of it depends on your geography and where you get your information. The reality is that the majority of mainstream media in America leans heavily to the left, as does their reporting, so they love to show conservatives saying idiotic things. It’s not that there aren’t those things being said, but I could give a long list of the stupid things that have been said by liberal candidates but always get brushed under the rug. There are idiots on both sides of the fence, trust me.
It’s funny to read the comments. Because of my geography, I have no idea where these aggressive, ignorant conservatives are- at least not personally (I see them on TV). I live in a very, very liberal area so it is absolutely the democrats who speak in very entitled tones and as though everyone in the world who doesn’t agree with them is racist and greedy. Anyone who is remotely conservative in my neck of the woods keeps their head down, speaks in code, and offers a secret handshake before saying a political word to anyone lest they offend the majority.
Oh what I would give for a third party….
October 30th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
Flutter, the odd thing is that we Canadians know everything on earth about the US system and elections because 90% of our media coverage is American. 90% of our movies, books, music and news, Tv and print and internet comes from the US.
We study US politics in school, and this past election, you’d be hard pressed to find a Canadian who doesn’t know who Bush, McCain, Obama, and Palin are. None of them know anything about the Canadian election, mind you!
Oh and Bon and Niobe, the whole red/blue thing started on CNN a few years back. Originally in the US, red states were democratic and red was associated with lefty liberals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_states_and_blue_states#Origins_of_current_color_scheme
And yes Bon, there will be some backlash on the green movement now, not so much because of the economy, but because of consumers who frankly are tired of the whole “green” movement which mostly seems cloaked in the marketing of guilt, and excess cost. Like those stupid Born Free baby bottles? Unfrigging believably expensive, yet you can buy BPA free bottles from Playtex, ultra cheap.
Most of the stuff the green movement has associated with, is all about spending and acquiring more stuff, the “right” stuff, the stuff that is PC enough and will not get you in trouble with the other moms on the playground. Meanwhile, real change never happened.
As long as consumers are obsessed with stupid shit, like plastic bags in grocery stores, industry will not change. Why should they? It’s shame, because it is worth it, but for the next five years, there won’t be much happening on that front….
October 30th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
Oh my god.
I’d have to comment anonymously to actually say why, but I think you might already know.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:32 pm
Sorry, I know that’s completely assholic, but well… ahem.
Can we talk about circumcision now? PLEASE?
October 30th, 2008 at 11:38 pm
Believe it or not, I did hear quite a bit about your election. I can probably thank Thor for that.
Last night on the daily show, Jon Stewart asked Obama if he was a socialist and Obama said, Well, I think I may have shared my toys in kindergarden so yeah, I guess so.
I laughed so hard. Seriously, like our wealth isn’t redistributed already. The only difference between what Obama wants to do and what Bush is doing is that the money will go to the lower and middle class instead of Wal Mart and Haliburton. I’m cool with that.
October 31st, 2008 at 5:43 am
Helluva post to be reading at 4:41 am. I’m so mad about our election! Finally, after years of being strategic, I voted with my conscience (Green–Elizabeth May is a genius, and my local candidate had a lot of credibility, and the liberal incumbent has been winning by laaaarge margins …) I bite my nails because my riding is currently? Undergoing a recount. It was the conservative candidate BY 48 VOTES. So obviously, the popular will here in High Tech University Socialist Country was very much green/ndp/liberal and somehow, by 48 votes, a conservative slips in.
I watched the Obama infomercial. What shocks me is the almost total lack of safety net that Americans have. How close they always live to disaster, particularly health care wise, and somehow trumpet this as a triumph of individualism. Yeahhhh ….
October 31st, 2008 at 8:14 am
I think it’s sad that people would be tired of the green movement because they feel its overly costly and guilt ridden.
There is more to it than that and if consumers don’t see it then they’re simplifying the matter as much as the politicians are.
October 31st, 2008 at 4:04 pm
To Nessa–the trouble is, nothing stops, or changes, we just add to it. So money will totally still go to Haliburton and Wall-Mart. And money does already go plenty fast to the poor. Trust me, the poor eat way way better than I do. Speaking from the middle class I don’t need the government to give me money because I can add and subtract and live within my meager means.
I think that is what scares most conservatives in the US. The idea that current bad spending will continue forever and that new spending, which may be a thousand times more noble will be added to it. I mean, that’s what’s scary about regular democrats. The idea that our money is theirs for the taxing.
October 31st, 2008 at 9:37 pm
I can’t speak of the election without risking an aneurysm at this point, but I will say that the Republicans have ran such a negative, fear mongering campaign that it blows my mind. As long as they keep saying “socialist”, “Muslim”, “terrorist”…there are going to be people that vote for McCain for no other reason than ignorant fear. My mom sent me an email claiming Obama is the antichrist, and people just eat it up. (I’m in a Republican state)
Must go breathe into a paper bag now.