Sun 8 Mar 2009
stuck in the freudian anal phase
Posted by bon under milestone stuff, pondering stuff
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an old friend came into town last week on her way to a conference not far away. she was a friend in our expat days, someone we spent late nights and hangovers with, someone whose apartment floor we crashed on, whose ashtrays and rare collection of actual decent English books we made free with.
she arrived as my brain was waddling knee-deep, delayed but engaged, through the soupy fascination of online point and counterpoint about what it means to be a woman, whether motherhood is a dividing line more definitive than the others that mark us.
my friend moved back to Canada around when we did, to study obscure bits of Russian history and politics. she’s currently doing a Ph.D, and is spending her mid-thirties immersed in student life in a communal house littered with Doc Martens. she has an indie music show on the campus radio station, and her fiancé, who arrived with her, is eight years younger than she. both have hair to their waists.
they arrived at our house right exactly in the midst of the chaotic ballet of suppertime. it was potty-training week for one child and teething and first-foods week for the other. tofu and baby cereal and Thomas cups half-full of milk were strewn around the kitchen along with the ingredients for the curry i’d make later for the adults, and the baby was fussing in her high chair whilst Dave and i improvised “pooping is so fun” songs to the half-naked boy perched on his throne in the middle of the kitchen floor. the boy who hadn’t pooped in two days, because the power of withholding was a mad concoction he’d discovered two nights before when we got ourselves all het up about imminent potty success and a poop party and pretty much terrorized him into constipation. so there we were, all nonchalant-like.
oh hi! hugs. you brought champagne? wonderful. i’m shouting over the howling baby, who has developed an occasional but vehement stranger aversion. i unrolled a breast sloppily from the armour of my nursing bra, rocking rhythmically.
our friend had knit Oscar a hat, a fabulous fish creature which i mistook for a dinosaur. it itches, he complained, without guile. she looked crushed. he saw this and kept it on. he liked her on sight.
our guests perched on stools in the midst of the chaos, trying gamely to keep a so how’ve you been? conversation going betwixt the dance of chopping and feeding and creating a poop-positive environment and Oscar retrieving most of his toys from the playroom for them to admire. she told of a trip to St. Petersburg – the Russian one, not Florida – and a summer in Spain and he showed off the amazing silver jewellry he creates and i interjected inanely with salient comments like wow! and where? and omygodDaveithinkhe’spooping!
like our noses couldn’t tell.
so the offending prize was duly carried away and celebrated in absentia with chocolate chip cookies and high fives and then it was bedtime and our entire family disappeared upstairs for the usual ablutions of tooth-brushing and bathing and medication-doling and stories and the very fussy Josephine settled only to let loose with a torrent of howlage that recalled me upstairs only minutes after i’d made it down, and kept me up there for what felt like the entire night but was actually only 20 minutes or so. i was afraid they’d drink all the champagne without me.
finally, we ate. and my friend asked, so what do you do here, for fun? is there much of a music scene? you doing any theatre? and i looked at her like she was speaking Swahili and chirped, uh, i have book club tomorrow night! like a birthday-party magician who’s been asked to conjure a pony but can only come up with a lame and slightly off-topic rabbit. i didn’t admit that i couldn’t actually remember what we were reading for book club and went on that yes, there is a decent arts community here but we don’t go OUT really and i caught my friend’s head tilt and the chasm between us gaped and i realized that it was pointless for me to assert that i’m happy in spite of how it sounds because that would just be protesting too much. and i felt like i might as well just lie down and die in my apron, and stick a sign over me saying here lies Bonnie, the caricature of motherhood, fit only to be pitied and judged…unless you Get It.
but here’s the thing.
my friend has kids.
two of them. she had them young and she was the primary caregiver to a girl and a boy thirteen months apart for years while their dad drove a truck until when they hit school she hit a wall and went out and found herself and shares custody of these almost-teens while she studies and makes for herself a life that has to be very different from the one she lived for five years while they were small.
and still, much as she has a heart the size of Texas and charmed Oscar and cooed over Josephine, she doesn’t Get It anymore. it was as plain as day, written all over her face…she has simply forgotten that there could be a life so circumscribed by bodily functions and one’s own lack of sleep. maybe it shocked her to discover that it wasn’t just her and her circumstances that made those early years so crazy, that two little kids blows most of us out of way out of the hipness pond for awhile, if not forever…but it shocked her, that much was clear. i was not entirely the person she came to see, even if she was as gracious as could be about it.
we are both girls and both women, my friend and i, depending on whether the topic of conversation is silly or serious. we are also both mothers. but one of us is in a place where the energy for outside stimuli is sucked out of me on a regular basis by tears and poop and guiding and comforting and all those things that my children will only come to me for overtly for a few more years, really. she gives me hope that someday my conversations will NOT be about poop…and in the interim, i hope she – and you – will bear with me.
happy International Women’s Day, chicas.
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how have your friendships been impacted by children? did your friends have kids earlier or later than you, or at all? does how you perceive other women – or interact with them – shift according to their parenting status?
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March 8th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
i had kids well before many of my friends did. it was a struggle. all of a sudden i felt as if i had nothing to say to them, and i’m quite sure that they felt the same way about me.
looking back on my lonely experience mothering Eleven as an infant, and my wonderful experience mothering Seven, i have to conclude that the presence of a like-minded community makes all the difference.
March 8th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
What fortuitous timing! Just last evening, the husband and I escaped for an all too rare party. Usually it is one of us or the other – almost never is a party graced with us twain these days.
We got there, and hardly knew anyone, and dove in separately and bravely with the small talk. And then, to my horror, I found myself incapable of small talking about anything but my kid. Dude! I had, like, 29 fascinating fantastic non-kid years that just ended 10 months ago. What happened to all of that useless trivia I used to be able to trot out, before the days of cute baby sandals and one year molars?
Even though all of the partygoers were only a handful of years younger than us, and even though we had some things in common – the one thing we didn’t have in common roared into every conversation. I found myself UTTERLY boring, and after only an hour we slunk back home in shame.
I do better when I know people. Apparently, if I intend to attend another party where I DON’T know people, I must study up on interesting cocktail chatter ahead of time.
March 8th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
I’m already starting to forget what it is like, now that both my kids are (mostly) toilet trained and everything is just easier. And I think that kind of amnesia must be fairly widespread, but parents will tell surveys that the most difficult age to parent is something other than those first three years, which is just demonstrably untrue.
March 8th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
I was lucky in that my husband was in grad school while I went through those five crazy years, so our group of friends was mostly like aged and also infested with infants.
I had one ‘hippie’ friend with no kids and two highschool buddies, ditto, and when they came to visit I certainly saw the look you describe on their bemused faces.
I remember telling my family that my brain had melted; my husband volunteered to baby sit while I took a university course. Helped a whole, whole lot.
Sympathy, and encouraging cheers. You are almost half way through the worst, if my experience is anything to go by.
March 8th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
My best friend in the world was visiting once, and couldn’t understand why I just couldn’t up and go to Halifax with her, and leave the kids with my husband for a few days.
I couldn’t quite explain the “no backup” issue, since it would have taken much too long to break down the problems that could happen.
It ended up that Vivian spiked a crazy fever and had a seizure, and needed to go in to the hospital.
It would have been quite the ball of worms to handle all that alone with a baby (Ros was small at the time)
I find trying to explain the split brain issue, or even the double whammy of more than one kid to people only on their first-it’s just a different place and concept.
Funny though, when my husband and I were in the almost divorce place, I actually fantasized about giving him custody so I could get my life back…I think of that and feel so ashamed, but it would be nice to have weekends to myself, that sort of thing. To pretend I’m without child. :)
And POO! GO O GO!
March 8th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
My friend Amy had a baby who I babysat for and then she had another baby. We still do the things we did before when she had just one baby: We drink wine and talk about things that we’re mutually interested in and our friendship has actually gotten better.
Strange as it may seem, I have lots of friends with children. I just spent a week visiting with friends of mine who are both on their first kid and we had fun. I knew them ‘when’. Pre-kids when it was just hot tubs and champagne and wine tasting and talking and I know them now.
The point is that the way women respond to parenting is utterly unique. And I love these woman just as much now as I ever have no matter if they have one child or if they have seven. We are still able to have these great relationships because they appreciate me for the woman I am now just I as I appreciate them.
And that was the point of my initial outrage which is far greater than a few blog posts. The point was that we’re all women no matter what and we should be supporting each other and not putting each other down for our differences.
I am also well aware that not all women are like my friends which is why I adore my friends who are mothers but not necessarily all mothers. They’ve approached parenthood in a different way than some do and I am in awe of them, inspired by them and they make me want to be a better person, woman and eventually a good mother.
Point is things are different for each parent just as things are different for each woman. That doesn’t make one parent any less of a parent for doing something differently and it doesn’t make one woman less of a woman for just not being there yet.
March 8th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
We were the first in our circle to have children – and in fact only one other couple we see regularly has a child, even now. It’s been rough and you’ve said it better than I could – but I’ve seen “that look” on faces, many times.
I’ve expanded my circle to include folks with kids, without ditching our kidless friends. And when we do hang out with the DINKs, we have a bit of an understanding – we will mock their obsession with gadgets and gizmos (because without kids, they have the money to buy them, jerks) and they will give us a hard time for caring so much about poop.
I’ll admit that when I’m alone in the confines of my own house, I will sometimes talk about how our childless friends will find themselves old, with no one to love them but their plasma TVs. And I’ll further admit that there is an element of wistfulness in this – especially after a day like today, which was frankly awful and made me sit huddled in the corner pretending I’d never HAD children to begin with.
You described the scene at suppertime perfectly, my dear – I was THERE. And it made me want an amaretto sour. ;)
March 8th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
i had kids roughly the same time as most of my friends, our firsts. its just that well, you know mine is not here. i feel like i Get It more than your friend, despite the lack of poop and baby cries in your house. how quickly some forget i guess. even though she’s not here, i feel far more drawn now to my friends with kids (as much as it can sting) than to those without them. because i am a mother. i just don’t get to actively mother. the grief still gives me those sleepless nights other mothers speak of. i just hope soon i get those real sleepless nights. and the poop!!
March 8th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
Oh, God, bon — too, too timely. Here’s one for you: Pynchon and I left Munchkin with the sitter at 7 on Friday, and went out for a grownup dinner.
No wait. I’m going to post it … hang tight!
(Great story, oh lordy, I hear you, but totally)
March 8th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
Okay. I did it :-)
March 8th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
I get it. My friends have shifted, but more troubling to me sometimes is how much I’ve shifted. I traveled so far and wide, I had so few fears. But, this time is so short and, just like you, I’m so happy within it, despite the tired, endless, sometimes tedious days. I both look forward to and fear the time when I am no longer so intensely focused on little children and their needs. I know I can find myself in the world again, but I feel like it’s going to be blurry for a while, until my eyes adjust.
March 8th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
When I talk to childless friends, I feel very boring. I have no interesting stories to contribute to the conversation. When I talk to friends with older kids, I feel annoyed. They never remember the trials and tribulations of having young children.
March 9th, 2009 at 12:51 am
Bon, this post is deliciously perfect. You’ve told the tale so well, and it’s one that most of us can relate to and are living through as we speak. Loved it.
March 9th, 2009 at 1:21 am
As a grandma who has taken care of my almost two-year-old grandson three days a week, I feel the same way when I talk to my friends who don’t spend their days with babies and toddlers.
March 9th, 2009 at 1:38 am
your words nail it every time. and i could see the kitchen scene so clearly, right down to the praised poop in the pot part.
i have 5 women in my life right now, 2 sister, one with a child, one without. One best-est friend (yep, i wrote best-est) childless and 6 years my junior. two with boys my sons age. they all get it. and that is why there are only five.
i do not even try. never was comfortable with women anyway, so these five are a rare blessing i did not expect to have. and finding i absolutely need.
i know what you are saying about the folks that do not get it, we just have so few folks around now anyway.
the image of o with his toys tickles me. i would love to stop by your kitchen anytime. we could even have a sour and laugh at the poop.
March 9th, 2009 at 1:49 am
A woman I met at friend’s party was telling me that she longed for the days when her children were young and gave her no problems, were only a joy, were loving, wee, little bundles of cuteness instead of surly teens. I asked if she missed wiping their butts.
March 9th, 2009 at 6:37 am
When I’m having a really bad day, I just remind myself I was never a fantastic conversationalist even before kids. I’m just not that big a small-talker. I’m not putting myself down here, or searching for compliments, I just know deep down that I’m shy and that to beat myself up because I can’t be some Wildean heroine, with wit and sparkle is silly.
Oddly, that makes me feel better.
(This probably makes no sense, I’m insanely tired.)
March 9th, 2009 at 10:53 am
My friends who have kids were made as friends who had kids…none of our longtime friends have children. Just us. Being 25 and 26, though, that isn’t surprising. Usually when we get together with friends it consists of board games, conversation, and alcohol once the children are tucked into bed….though, KayTar never goes to bed and I end up with a little badger attached to my body all night. Joy. This scene was all too familiar.
March 9th, 2009 at 10:55 am
My best friend and I grew apart when I had children. We had these dreams of raising children together. We would envision our daughters running across a beach with tangled hair while we sat with our wine glasses and talked poetry. One day she told me she did not have those dreams anymore. She went off to the peace corps. It is so silly, but part of me was hurt. I know she was rejecting the idea of children and not me, but I felt rejected anyway. That sounds so dumb doesn’t it. Anyway, she has never met my daughter. I miss her.
March 9th, 2009 at 10:59 am
All the yammering about the point/counterpoint, girl/woman thing of late has left me feeling as if we all think life is a bad Charlene song (with or without drag queens) and that depresses me:
“Sometimes I’ve been to crying for unborn children that might have made me complete. Still I took the high life and never knew I’d be bitter from the sweet.” Pu-leez.
To answer your question. I left all my old friends and my old life before I had a kid. Most of my new friends have teenagers b/c I am old OR they have young children but treat me a little bit as if I am old.
I envy the work life of my friends with older kids; I envy the spry bodies of my friends with younger kids; I envy the ability to read and go to movies of my friends with no kids. And yet, despite all the green-eyed yammering I do, I really wouldn’t want to be any place else right at this moment.
March 9th, 2009 at 11:04 am
“I envy the work life of my friends with older kids; I envy the spry bodies of my friends with younger kids; I envy the ability to read and go to movies of my friends with no kids. And yet, despite all the green-eyed yammering I do, I really wouldn’t want to be any place else right at this moment.”
Go mad. I am wordless, just nodding and drooling a little. But you didn’t need to know that.
March 9th, 2009 at 11:07 am
It’s possible to not Get It after Getting It? I’m terrified of this. I don’t want to ever not Get It; I worked hard to be here. I earned this NOW the world make sense(!!) reality.
That was one comment. The other?
This is about ten shades of totally awesome.
March 9th, 2009 at 11:42 am
Mad…lmao at campy Charlene. touché. i went to see Priscilla TWICE in the theatres back when i had no money just so i could revisit that gem from my early adolescence and learn all the words. now i’m off to get my boa.
March 9th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
My childless sister was distraught when I started describing myself as a mom first when people asked what I did. She would launch in with a history of all the other things I’ve done in my life that in the moment seemed more or less irrelevent to me.
Still, I occasionally suffer from envy of my friends who remain childless by choice and even dream of how selfish I could be with my time as a childless person.
My husband has and uncle and aunt, he’s a doctor, she’s a teacher in their early fifties who remain childless. The uncle said to me at Christmas that if he could go back in time he would have made a different choice because children give one purpose. And I was jolted back into the lovely reality that is my little family.
March 9th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Many of my closest friends live rather far from me, so there was already a sense of ‘disconnect’, if you will, by the time I had my first. I was the first one out of almost all of my friends to have a baby, and I was also the one who everyone least expected would wind up married with children.
What I really noticed after having my daughter, and what I think my friends noticed too, was my availability. As in, suddenly I had none. A group of my girlfriends all came down to visit after I had both of my children, and at times in between, and for several years it was something I couldn’t easily reciprocate. I missed weddings and the funeral of my friend’s mother and birthdays because for whatever reason, I couldn’t get away. It’s not something I was ever made to feel badly about, and I wasn’t upset or resentful, just very aware of how my life had changed in ways that theirs hadn’t.
Many of my friends have kids of their own now, or are about to have them. And now, with my kids being older, it’s easier for me to get away for longer, so I can take off for an afternoon and go visit them with their new babies.
Full circle.
March 9th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
Mine are older than many I blog with (save slouch). But the memory of those days is like a tattoo.
March 10th, 2009 at 7:02 am
gah. just realised i made a boo boo in my comment. i meant my house, not your house. my bad. just having trouble stringing coherent sentences together in this past week since i’ve been back from my post babyloss trip. blahhhhhhhhhhhhh.
sally
March 10th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Well, I’m wondering if your friend isn’t suffering from amnesia so much as surprise. Maybe she thought that her experience as a young mother with no support was what made it so hard? And seeing you, older with experience in life and lots of support, makes her wonder if having kids is always hard regardless of circumstances?
I just remember feeling like a momblob and being convinced that I would be so much better at all this if only I had money or knew what I was doing. And it has helped in some ways. But in other ways? I’m still exhausted and I’m still barely able to think about other subjects besides poop and breastfeeding.
This time, I’ve made a huge effort to be more interested in other things for my own sanity.
Funny you mention which age is harder. I think that baby and toddler hood is much harder physically, and the first baby is a shock for sure. But now I’m doing the teen/pre-teen years at the same time as a baby, and teens are bloody hard on an intellectual level. A baby is exhausting, but if you feed them, rock them, burp them and change them, or just bribe them with cookies–you can make it through most crisis. But a teen is different in that you have to keep up the mental gymnastics and deal with the socio-emotional weirdness. The hormonal insanity is over the top.
I would never say one is harder than the other either way–because they are just so hard to compare to each other.
Good news–the middle years are breeze so far. It’s like we get a nice rest. Yours is coming!!
March 10th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
We moved countries right before we had kids so our experience has been very different; almost all of our local friends are from playgroups and antenatal classes. What strikes me is how it’s easy to bond initally with someone in the same stages as you, but as weeks go by, you realize that’s all you have in common and delete their phone number from your mobile…
March 13th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
some days i long for the days of being alone in my car, being alone in my house, being able to just go and do and be without so many needing me for everything. then of course, i feel like an ass because i wanted this for so long, worked for it for so long, and so many others struggle to have it even a little. it doesn’t always make the mundane extraordinary, but it helps me put it in perspective i suppose. but i can’t wait to be out of this hole i seem to be in currently.
i’ve only started making a few mommy friends since the pnut was a toddler. really, just one friend, and she is solid gold. my no kids friends have faded, mostly, my friends who now have kids too all live far from here, and i miss them. and like a pp mentioned other potential friend mommies you meet don’t end up being friends when you realize that all you really have in common was gestating in 2005.
ps- hooray for poop! what a relief when it finally kicks in and starts to happen. sweet jesus.
March 15th, 2009 at 9:09 am
I had kids YEARS before my friends did. YEARS. And so now I have “old” kids and they have babies and suddenly I have time on my hands and my old friends are sleep-deprivived.
One thing about having kids really young – younger than I was (my husband’s mother was 17 when she had him…) – is that when you do realize what you want from life and stuff, it often doesn’t balance well with the child you already have. You could ask my husband about this.
March 31st, 2009 at 9:47 am
OMGosh I totally get it. All of it (I have three kids 5 and under!)