Thu 2 Apr 2009
postmortem
Posted by bon under stuff to be done
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every experience is a learning experience…just not always in the way you expect.
if i could tell the interviewers from yesterday what i learned about myself in that three-and-a-half hour marathon of self-promotion, it was this:
i am still learning.
applying for a position with the federales is a lesson in literacies, in thinking on your feet, in self-control. i’m usually pretty good at reading my environment and between the lines of questions, at compiling answers to what’s implicitly being asked, but yesterday…i didn’t realize until it was too late that the structure of the interview placed the onus on me to put together a coherent picture of my management experience, my professionalism, in only five questions. clever. perfectly fair. but not what i’ve been accustomed to from academia, and perhaps not quite what i delivered, alas.
the old adage goes, every war is fought to win the previous war. i would’ve sailed through my last interview like a hero yesterday…but that interview was two years ago, and for a completely different context. and i got that job anyway. this one…this one was a learning experience.
all that preparation, and only five questions. of the five, i blew the second part of the first one utterly…got tangled in the time pressure, the scale of the interview and the work put into preparing, the fact of my own inexperience with the whole process, so when they asked about legislation i drew an utter blank. not because i hadn’t read the info on legislation in this particular department, but because it hadn’t been titled as such and thus i didn’t recognize what they were asking for. and the smallness set in…the terrible, supplicant, bewildered smallness. the feeling – acute and anxious – that one is a sham about to be exposed.
i’ve spent a lot of years putting that feeling behind me. i realize now that all those years i carried it, it wasn’t deserved…a class marker and the internalized stigma of a growing up poor with a single mother in a small town. the lingering sense that i was a charity case who needed to be extra-deserving made me my own worst enemy, dragging around an intrinsic certainty that security and stability and success were just a little above my station, inexplicably beyond me.
revisiting those ghosts of insecurities past in the middle of a job interview is NOT high on any top ten lists of success strategies, i suspect. it was profound, though. i became aware of precisely how i occasionally fail myself when caught off-guard…unfortunately exactly at the moment i was failing myself. o costly knowledge, your price above rubies. today, instead of merely kicking my behind halfway into next week, i’m trying to focus on counteracting those old habits, those insecurities that sneak in the back door. i can chew all the glass i want over the fact that the epiphany cost me interview points, but in the long run…i plan to make it pay me back. it has been warned.
cue Stuart Smalley: you will from here on find me in my mirror five minutes a day with Al Franken glasses on, whispering i’m good enough, i’m smart enough, and by gosh...
i’ll be Sally Field with an Oscar in hand by the time i do another interview.
overall, yesterday wasn’t bad. the presentation part went reasonably well: i tried to sell a social media-based strategic plan to government, which was bold at best and possibly crazy…but i got complimented on the content in the end, so…risk worth taking. the test turned out to be a writing test, o merciful fates, and i humbly submit that i knocked it out of the park. my answers to most of the interview questions were okay, though had i had a few more minutes to sit down with my actual BRAIN handy and consider the overall picture i was painting, i’d have sharpened my focus and sold myself far more effectively.
i did ask some good questions at close, and got a much more specific sense of what the job will really be as a result…a challenge, a steepish learning curve for whomever takes it, as it’s a newly created role. i want it, no doubt. it’s an opportunity to hone some of my talents into a full-blown profession, which i’ve been searching for since i left the classroom all those years ago, but something i never seized on, partly due to wanderlust and babies and tragedy and partly to that little voice that whispered oh, me? i couldn’t possibly. but i can, i think. if not this time, soon.
your comments stayed with me, all your help and tips and reminders and support. particularly your support.
and then i tottered out with my head spinning and my boobs bursting and drove home to discover our computers were all down and the baby had croup. and i said, funny one, scornful gods, and let it go, because what good in feeding the notion that a happy ending is beyond me?
live and learn.
(and give thanks that at least croup waited until after the big day to rear its nasty, up-all-night head. poor small barking Josephine. and me with no Dr. Google in the middle of the night…horrors! i had to dig out the old Brittanica for advice, and spent the rest of the night alternating between standing in the cold porch with her, and steaming up my bathroom. restful, that. any idea how long this lasts? we’re croup virgins here…ever learning, ever eager.)




April 2nd, 2009 at 2:32 pm
You may be a little too hard on yourself. (Depending whether your epiphany was internal or out loud.) A lot of times these questions get asked not because they want the right answer but to see how you will react.
And there may be other factors that you don’t know about– from personal experience I know that you can think you’ve blown an interview but they’ve already decided they want you for a reason you never thought of as an asset. Wait and see how it turns out.
April 2nd, 2009 at 2:37 pm
In the end, a 3.5 hour interview would paralyze many of us. So be gentle on thyself, dear friend.
April 2nd, 2009 at 2:47 pm
The night after my interview for the position I now have, Jamie Sale and David Peltier skated perfectly in the Salt Lake City Olympics. The gold medal, you will remember, went to the Russians and Canada fell into a stupor of stunned victimhood.
I cried and cried and cried–not because of the stupid figure skating but b/c it was there as a catalyst for all the self-doubts that I took into the day. I was convinced I would never find a job that I really wanted and that no one in this stupid town would ever give me the chance I so desperately needed. And, like you, I had all those imposter misgivings that are the marker of our class. I think I cried myself to sleep.
A couple of days later I was offered the job.
However this turns out, you deserve a huge hug or pat on the back or something for simply having gotten yourself through the day.
April 2nd, 2009 at 3:24 pm
A few more facts about fed selection processes:
1. There is a scoring sheet vetted by HR beforehand. They give everyone a numerical score and weight it by the same factor, to be fair. So they’re not allowed to dismiss anyone on the basis of one bad answer. I think they even need to specify in advance the content they’re looking for that they will base the scores on. It’s ridiculously bureaucratic.
2. W/ fed jobs, getting the #1 slot is not the most important thing. It’s the nicest thing, but not the most important. The most important thing is getting on the list–doing well enough that they can place you on an eligibility list for that or similar positions, in which case they can offer you a job (w/o the selection process) in the future. That`s how I ended up with my last job–I actually placed 2nd, but two years later when they had another position open up, I got it.
This is one time when coming in second or third is not just a booby prize.
April 2nd, 2009 at 3:31 pm
You are one mighty mom for going for it in the first place. And, as has been said, you never know how it’ll all turn out. Aren’t those inner diaglogues and ephiphanies amazing things while they’re simultaneously running alongside stressful outside conversations? The brain does amazing things.
Re. the croup: Should last 3-4 days, I think. But I’ve always wound up a the dr on day 2 b/c the baby can’t sleep and would up with a 1-dose steroid. Helps tremendously.
April 2nd, 2009 at 3:35 pm
exactly, Andrea…which is why i feel quite positive overall, even if the interview wasn’t all i’d hoped i could be. or believe i AM, for that matter. if nothing else, i actually get to sit down with someone to go over how i can improve, which…well, more to learn from.
and it really was a huge learning experience, just going this far. i feel proud of the work put in.
oh, and Kaspar, the epiphany was internal. luckily.
April 2nd, 2009 at 4:32 pm
Bon, you are just amazing incredible, and vice versa. I am so bowed over by your magnanimity, your attitude, your grace.
Like others said, be gentle on thyself. Like you said, always learning!
I’m sorry to hear about Josephine’s croup, poor gal! Not much advice on what to do, like you wrote, the cold night air is comforting. and I always say- mom needs to take good care of herself. eat good, immune-boosting foods, they will get thr to her.
Sending you so many big hugs to pass on to little posey. xoxo
April 2nd, 2009 at 5:06 pm
My first and only government job application was a bit surreal. It was probably a stretch, but eh — go for it, right? And clearly I met some mandate — I’m guessing by being a woman within a male-dominated field — so they dragged me along, for months, through forms. No interviews, no real contact, but the forms became more and more pointed and hopeful, until there was one with a line, “when could you start?” And then nothing. And finally, a really wretchedly ungrammatical form letter stating I hadn’t gotten it. Later found out they promoted from within.
The fact that you spoke to people I consider wildly successful, and my god, if you pointed them to this blog? They’d see your brainy self for what it is and hire you on the spot.
April 2nd, 2009 at 5:47 pm
My first thought on hearing about your job interview?
Damn it! (said like 24′s Jack Bauer when he’s just discovered a nuclear device about to blow up a city of thousands unless he can disarm it in 3, 2, 1 …)
Because I figure you’ll get the job, or be placed on the short list, and then you won’t be writing the mini-masterpieces that I look forward to reading every time I click on cribchronicles.com, umm, like 10 times a day.
I’m an addict – you’re my crack cocaine. Not that I don’t wish you the best. I do, with all my heart.
But knowing I won’t have to “just say no” quite yet brings me a selfish comfort – though I’m ready to go cold-turkey in support when the interview results come out. Because you’re good, and I’m expecting the motley federal government hiring crew is going to see that and act accordingly.
Croup? You’re doing the best thing. Steam to cold. Repeat as necessary. Seems counter-intuitive in our pharma-love days, but there you go.
April 2nd, 2009 at 5:49 pm
the jury is still out, yes?
they’d be fools not to take you.
what’s more, i imagine you to be harder on yourself than anyone else has any right to be.
i’m sure they saw a star.
April 2nd, 2009 at 5:55 pm
I always suspect next day self analysis, especially on no sleep. How could you help but knock their bureaucratic socks right off their knobby feet!
And I refuse to call up any memories of croup for you; profound memory lapse here…. Steam probably rotted my brain.
April 2nd, 2009 at 5:58 pm
I’m still waiting to hear if you get the call. I suspect you were brilliant. The interview process sounds brutal.
Croup is awful. We had to give our little one oral steroids to reduce the inflammation, but he had a pretty bad case. That cough, it stops you in your tracks. Hope it’s a better night tonight.
April 2nd, 2009 at 6:04 pm
The smallness, and the fear of being exposed… I get this, esp. during interviews. Awful!
The croup… I agree you’re doing the right thing for it, too.
April 2nd, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Jesus, I did the SAME thing last night with Ro. I took it one step further and took him to the ER where they sent me home empty handed. I wanted the steriods. They wouldn’t give them up. I think it lasts about 4-5 days but is SUPPOSED to get better every day.
I’m proud of you, no matter if you get the job or not. I hope you are proud of yourself too.
April 2nd, 2009 at 7:14 pm
I was interviewed once, over the phone, for a job in the Yukon. There were three guys on the other end of the line. I was in an office, in Ottawa, with the head of the department (who was legally blind). She wrote notes with her nose pressed to her clipboard. I called her upon hearing I didn’t get the position. I hadn’t had a lot of interviews for ‘real’ jobs at that point and had been told to always get feedback so I could improve. She told me I should make better EYE contact!
Don’t doubt yourself so much, sometimes there are idiots in the room.
April 2nd, 2009 at 7:52 pm
If you think you didn’t get yourself across enough, send them a link to this post. If I had interviewed you and there were any doubts in my mind, this would answer them and you’d be on my team in a heartbeat.
April 2nd, 2009 at 9:41 pm
Somehow I can’t help but think that you did better than you felt you did. Plus, you still have your thank you letter in which to succinctly make a point or two that you feel is most important to convey. It’s a given that you’ll be able to write a stunner.
Did they say when they’re advising applicants of the outcome?
April 2nd, 2009 at 10:31 pm
I am always super critical of myself. Perhaps you are too? I bet you did much better than you think.
Sorry to hear about your baby girl.
April 2nd, 2009 at 11:32 pm
I have a feeling you may have done better than you think you did, m’dear.
Croup is nasty, but in my experiences with it (Julia has had it a couple of times), it’s short-lived. There’s always been a rather intense period of feeling horrible and then it would kind of dissipate. Hope she’s feeling better soon.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:06 am
whenever you think you sucked in an interview, you end up getting the job.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:33 am
It always sounds pithy, but I say if you learned, it’s all good.
And poor things! I had croup a lot as a child. Black tea. WHich is easier on an older child.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:41 am
Oh honey {{you}}
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:22 am
Dear Bon
I was thinking of you all day. The lurker with little among the sage advice you got the other day. But I will chime in late. I am happy for you that you see this opportunity. (too trite?) I am so happy for you and your family this might be something and soon. If not there will be more and soon for all your fabulousness!!!
I know it!
And as to the babies, they are always cute it turns out. Some might say there is this or that time to be ‘at home’ but not entirely so — they are always our children. Don’t fuss the timing, ok? Don’t AT ALL.
Either way.
We have the effing croup. The nuthatch got that from me. The bark comes 3 to 5 weeks once a year for 3 years. Bad to the puking 3 to 5 nights in the early go. Those cool mist humidifiers do really work. Get well soon baby girl!
April 3rd, 2009 at 8:10 am
“i’ve spent a lot of years putting that feeling behind me. i realize now that all those years i carried it, it wasn’t deserved…a class marker and the internalized stigma of a growing up poor with a single mother in a small town. the lingering sense that i was a charity case who needed to be extra-deserving made me my own worst enemy, dragging around an intrinsic certainty that security and stability and success were just a little above my station, inexplicably beyond me.”
Um, yes, a thousand times. This moved me to tears this morning because you just summed up in one perfect paragraph everything that has been holding me back for years, everything that has been stressing me out and upsetting me and shortening my fuse as I go through my own long, drawn-out application process.
I suspect too that you may have done better than you think – but even if not this job, you’ve got their attention now, and something else will come.
As for the croup, Isaac had terrible bouts of it (and two cases of pneumonia, please jesus) before his second birthday. A cool-mist humidifier in his room every night worked wonders (and the white noise seemed to help him sleep, too). We got our via Sears for about $40. Good luck!
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Good presentation and good questions at the end too? That sounds like a great interview. They will remember those bits for sure.
April 4th, 2009 at 9:37 am
I’m just impressed that so soon after your interview experience, you are able to see it with clarity and learn from it.
April 4th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
ever learning indeed.
and that play you mentioned over at my place? I’m willing to wager it was My Country’s Good
April 4th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
oops… it’s OUR country’s good, me thinks
April 5th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
i just want to say that it’s incredibly inspiring to hear your story of going out there after this job. i think it takes incredible heart and faith to go for a job you love, that would be a real career for you. especially straight out of mommyland. and after tragedy. whatever the outcome, it’s very inspiring!
April 5th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
I’m proud of you. I hope it went better than you think.
April 6th, 2009 at 9:42 am
I’ve avoided those interviews, for fear that my worst fears would be confirmed. That they would speak out loud the words that would crush my soul and say that I am a sham, that I’m not qualified, no matter which fancy words I use on my resume.
I was stupid. I’m glad I took the chance one last time and walked in the office of the job I have now.
Good luck. I hope you find what you’re looking for.