Sun 7 Jun 2009
life’s rich pageant
Posted by bon under pondering stuff, smitten stuff
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we talk about it, her father and i.
without hand-wringing, because it is neither of our first priorities, but with curiosity nonetheless, because observation of humanity is a hobby here. like a betting people taking wagers, we muse about it with gravity, as if it mattered…and in the same breath, with cavalier pretense, as if it didn’t.
will she be pretty?
it’s not a polite thing to talk about. unless offering up compliments or weighing aesthetics and symmetry, ’pretty’ is not a subject for public discussion. society is more comfortable with those judgements kept under catty cover, spewed all over reality tv but never actually parsed out at the dinner table.
and yet…her father and i ruminate on the topic like cows at a cud, chewing it over.
she’s as cute as a bug’s ear, we’re clear on that. fuzzy head, skin like butter. her blue eyes are bright and, we’re quite sure, intelligent. we’ve been known to break into parental rhapsody over the edible nature of her fat little legs. we also call her Piggy Nose. hey, it’s a piggy nose. facts is facts.
do not get me wrong. her little face with its elfin gaze and double chins is precious to us: the most beautiful baby girl face we know. because it is hers…and we love her, without qualification or caveat. but still we wonder.
maybe it’s simple validation-seeking, a co-dependent search for the cheap pat-on-the-head that says we has us a pretty baby and thus must therefore, by genetic extension, be not so terribly fugly ourselves. could be. we are not above cheap pats-on-the-head, us. but i think it’s more. especially since we never once had this conversation about Oscar, who is equally the fruit of our loins and really rather a pretty boy, if i do say so myself. but in this one area, there is no gender equity.
we shouldn’t care if she’s pretty, after all. smart, sure. kind, yes. resilient, absolutely. empathic and hard-working and thoughtful would be nice too. with a side order of creative, thank you very much and i’ll deal with the crayoned walls later. but pretty? beyond the flattery to our own gene pools, why would we care about pretty? the exotica of the child beauty pageant circuit holds no lure for us; trolloped-up little girls in mascara and pint-size prom dresses give me the heebies. we eschew sex-specific toys, let our son’s hair grown long, harbour hope and suspicion that gender is mostly a construct. pretty shouldn’t matter to us.
but pretty always matters more than it should.
no matter how feminist our politics, there’s no escaping the fact that we live in a world where for girls, “worthy” and “pretty” end up conflated more than they should. even if we reject the connection utterly, others will eventually take it up. it’s in the ether of this culture. we will teach her that beauty is inside, and mean it, and love her for every inch of herself. but that will not protect her from the pageant that is simply living in a female body, coming to selfhood in a skin that gets appraised and assessed and reflected and judged, every day from puberty through to cronehood.
pretty is bound, at some point in her life, to be the yardstick against which she judges herself.
part of me thinks our musings on the subject are us trying to guess at how and when she and the yardstick will collide, readying ourselves to help her negotiate a relationship with pretty that does not subsume or damage all the other things she is. because pretty is a brutal master, no matter what one’s face actually looks like.
Dave swears that his personal early research into Women, the Species, shows that the girls who grew up believing themselves “the pretty ones” often ended up stunted, their personalities self-restricted, externalized, by the emphasis placed on their surfaces.
i was the opposite. i grew up in a house where pretty never came up. when my father left, he took with him my mother’s sense of her own attractiveness…and i was well into college before she took any of that back. i was expected to be clean, pleasant, pleasing, polite…but ”pretty is as pretty does” was as far as my mother ever went towards an assessment of my looks. i grew up with the overwhelming sense that being embodied in female form was a vaguely shameful thing, and that my flaws – crooked nose, pudgy belly, short humpy neck – were horrors barely to be tolerated. i was 21 the first time i ever remember being called pretty, flat out pretty. i was so grateful i nearly fell over myself to sleep with the flattering party, to an REM soundtrack in a dirty little room.
so yeh, my late-blooming sense of my own appeal did inspire me to develop a sparkling, uh, wit and intellect as compensation, but it also led to a deep, longstanding insecurity in the worthiness of my physical person.
i don’t want either extreme for Josephine.
and so we talk about it, this unspeakable thing in terrible taste. we hope she’s pretty, but not too pretty. we hope to teach her that even if the question of pretty is always out there, waiting to tempt her or cause her doubt, her worth is more than the sum of her parts. no matter how lovely her parents think they are. or how loony they sound talking about it out loud.
do you talk about pretty? do you wonder, for your own daughters? have you worked out your own relationship to your looks and how they’re taken up by others, in this life?




June 7th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
I grew up never feeling attractive, at all. Like you, it was my early 20s before I felt any sort of coming into myself.
I don’t think my mother helped, as I was (middle)named after Anne of Green Gables, and her philosophy of “Being smart was better than being pretty” was drummed into me from an early age. As for my daughter…well…I don’t know. She’s gorgeous, of course, but as we navigate these early school years it’s had nothing to do with looks, but personality, as she learns to make friends. At least, that’s what I think at my end. On their end, I daresay all kinds of aesthetic variants and tastes come into play that I would be agog to know.
In sum: I’m confused. Hold me?
June 7th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
I tell my girls they are pretty almost every day, my reasoning being that every girl should be certain that her mother thinks she’s beautiful. But I wonder if I am only overemphasizing an already overemphasized thing. I’m conflicted. I was bullied as a kid, and I fear that they might be too, and I want them to be certain of their own loveliness before some third-grade jerk takes that certainty away. But maybe that is just letting my damage parent.
June 7th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
We talk pretty–usually in terms of it balancing out what is now a very awkward social time for our daughter. And we always do it in a joking, full-of-assumptions way a la “if she keeps having trouble making friends, she can always take comfort in the fact that she’s a) pretty and b) has a flush toilet right across from the park and public pool. That will bring its own kind of popularity.”
Oh yes, we talk about it and it is always in bad taste. So far we haven’t speculated about the post-puberty future. We’ll take it as it comes. To us, she’ll always be pretty. I tell her she’s beautiful all the time and will continue to do so just as my mother did to me–for I never believed it of myself and was always inwardly grateful for if outwardly disdainful of my mother’s praise.
I wrote a post about beauty once–their physical beauty as babes and its impact on us as parents. Reading this post put me in mind of it.
June 7th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
And ooooo, nice working in of the REM in the title. Clever you.
June 7th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
For the longest time, I was gangly, tall, skinny, clumsy. I was mocked, I was bullied. I didn’t wear the right clothes which didn’t help. When I finally “blossomed” it was such a shock that people (read: boys) noticed me, that I did silly things I am ashamed for now.
I wish my Mother had been more firm with me when I wore skenky clothes (even thought I was so naive), because now I see that everything she said was right. You will find your way with her. Go from the heart, think of what you were told and what you wished you had been. It will be okay.
And yes, she will be pretty.
June 7th, 2009 at 11:52 pm
As a teenager whenever someone would comment how much I looked like my mother (and we have a very strong resemblance) my mother would say, “No, she doesn’t look like me. NOT AT ALL.” With a degree of vehemence that was startling, and made it obvious that to she was insulted to have her looks equated with my own.
Niiiiiiiiiice.
June 7th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
With two girls ages almost 8 and almost 10, we DEFINITELY talk about pretty here – and have since they started playing dress-up. But we talk about how “pretty” is *really* defined by what’s inside & how you treat other people.
We talk about people who look “pretty” on the outside who are rotten on the inside, like two week old Halloween pumpkins. And we talk about “ugly” people who are the most generous, kind-hearted, wise souls.
We talk about how hair and clothes and jewelry and make-up (yes, it’s come up – with the 7 year old, thank you so much grandma *smirk*) can’t make you pretty where it counts, a point brought home by the “pretty” girl bully we helped the 9 year old deal with in 3rd grade.
Me? I worry less about pretty than about healthy. I watch my weight (creep up slowly), but I don’t diet. I don’t talk about being fat(ter than I used to be) around the middle in my children’s presence (I hope) because they get enough negative body image messages from even the limited media to which they are exposed.
Like every little girl in a woman’s body, I hope – I pretend, really – that I’m pretty on the outside. And occasionally, I put on a pretty good show of it (pun intended)! I am blessed to be married to a crazy, apparently blind man who appears to find my post-child-bearing, nearly 40 year old body attractive, different though it is from the much more lithe, svelte 25 year old he married.
Will Posey be pretty – oh yes, she absolutely will be! And by the way, your frankness takes my breath away. I wish I were courageous enough to blog as honestly as you do.
June 8th, 2009 at 12:28 am
We have all boys in our family. They are all beautiful, but yes, in life this will be so much less an issue as it would be were they girls. We listened to “Thumbelina” on a StoryNory podcast this week, and I was so disturbed by the story’s use of “ugly” and “pretty” to assess a character’s worth, that I needed to have a talk with my son about it. He assured me he knew that what a person looks like on the outside does not reflect how good or bad or worthy they are. So I guess we have done something right. Even though he’s not a girl, I still make sure I tell him he is smart, or kind, or brave, or thoughtful more than I tell him he is beautiful. Because those are more important.
June 8th, 2009 at 12:34 am
“pretty is a brutal master, no matter what one’s face actually looks like.”
Pretty is the worst master because it’s almost always accompanied by fifty parts contempt for every one part admiration, regardless of it having been properly bestowed in the first place.
Which is my way of saying that you can have a face like the sole of a boot, but long blond hair can still make you thoroughly despised in junior high school. Or perhaps I was simply an ass. Likely a combination.
I would feel just the same way you do if I’d had a girl. But come to think of it, I feel similarly about the boys. I want them to be handsome, but not too much, and more from charisma than symmetry. For all the same reasons you mention – as kids who grow up rich can end up with an overinflated sense of entitlement, good looks can make a dude lazy as well as arrogant. Same for a girl.
That said, the prettiness of girls… oh, just so loaded. So loaded and heavy and with so much more attached.
June 8th, 2009 at 12:54 am
My daughter is almost four and she already asks me if she looks pretty. I wonder where it comes from because we don’t talk about “pretty” much. But, they watch movies, a little TV, play with other kids, the whole princess thing (blech), pretty permeates.
I tell her yes, gorgeous to me (of course). I tell her she is even prettier when her words are respectful and she listens to others and she cares how her brothers and her friends feel. And, I try to fill my house with examples of pretty women who aren’t blonde/blue-eyed.
It’s a scary thing to bring up girls who aren’t fixated on their looks, but have healthy self esteem and social confidence. I do love it when she begs me to put new braids and beads in her hair and shakes her head and tells everyone her hair is pretty. I feel like I’m winning some kind of uphill battle to have her love her looks despite the very white world she lives in.
Well, that was long -thanks for the interesting topic!
June 8th, 2009 at 1:48 am
Yeah, we talk about pretty. It’s definitely one of the bigger push-pull things about raising a girl. How do we walk that fine line? How will we define it? What does she need to hear? Who does she need to hear it from? How often? I’ve posted just a few of my thoughts about it http://www.quadelle.com/2009/02/now-im-pretty/. It’s a topic I give more thought to than I’d like to, for precisely the reasons you mentioned.
As for me, after hating my body from about age 10 I am now mostly comfortable with my looks, although I’m not particularly thrilled with my shape post-baby #2 and a lot of procastibaking. There are, however, certain things I would gladly change if doing so didn’t involve plastic surgery.
As for Posey, if she’s half as beautiful as you she’s going to be plenty pretty. Plus, if what they’re like as babies is an indication for later, then she’s got nothing to worry about.
June 8th, 2009 at 2:00 am
oooh…interesting. we don’t talk about it. I think our May Queen WILL be pretty, but then again, she looks an awful lot like my hubby’s sister did at the same age, and I have to say, my hubby’s sister, while not ugly, was NEVER pretty.
and I think Dave is onto something about people who are TOO pretty. I went to school with some people who could stop traffic (some of them can now be seen on TV every week), but I never wanted to talk to those people at a party. In fact, at least one of them never, EVER looked comfortable. Gorgeous, always, but comfortable or happy? never.
June 8th, 2009 at 3:55 am
hmph. pretty is like a dirty word in our house. We celebrate their beauty, their strength, their expertise in nose-picking, their loud burping, but we never tell them you look pretty. We say things like “This dress looks good on you.” or, “you make this dress looks gorgeous.” but we work so hard to not let them feel pretty is important, or shd define them. We talk about beauty being in the eye of the beholder, and how one’s personality and character is more important than how your nose is aligned. We do let them know they have beautiful eyes, etc, but we try to avoid pretty as a value. I dunno if we’re doing it right…
June 8th, 2009 at 10:21 am
Growing up, my character was emphasized above–and at the complete expense of–my looks. My parents did not believe in “pretty.” My mother was insecure in her own looks and insanely jealous of what she saw as my natural beauty, and she berated my looks to the point that I began to think of myself as hideous. (Never mind that she herself would have been beautiful with less outrageous makeup and hair.) My father simply stayed out of it, not once complimenting my looks. I reacted similarly to you the first time a boy told me I was pretty. I felt starved.
Now, I tell my daughters that they’re beautiful, especially when they ask. I help them pick out tasteful clothes and pretty hairstyles, and we pass around the lip gloss and nail polish from time to time. Of course we work on kindness and generosity and the more internal forms of beauty… but I want them to know that looking pretty is not a crime. Nor does it require the striving of pageant contestants, nor is it as dependent on genes as some people think. More than anything, it takes a lovely confidence in themselves and an awareness of how to take care of their bodies.
With those two things in place… then yes, you will have one amazingly pretty daughter.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:28 am
My kid is male, and I tell him he’s a pretty baby all the time!
I was ugly til mid-twenties, and now I’m pretty, and I definitely prefer the latter. I’m taken less seriously at work, for sure, but feel a self worth that I never felt as the ugly, bullied weirdo. This is probably not good, but it is what it is. If I have a girl one day (crosses fingers) I think I’ll tell her she’s pretty all of the time, because I’d be her mother, and what I say won’t exactly penetrate anyway (unless it’s negative.) I want my comments and behavior towards my kid(s) to be a cloud of positivity, a blur which they inhabit without being able to articulate its presence, and while it won’t protect them from the slings and arrows of public thought, it will give them a haven of approval in which to retreat on those days when the Mean Girls (or Boys) are too much to take.
I love that we’re all just trying our best over here in Parenting Land, but none of us know what the hell is going on. It’s fabulous to stumble through this journey with all of you!
June 8th, 2009 at 10:30 am
No daughters, so we try not to think about it. But like you, the first time a guy told me I was pretty I fell head over heels in love directly into bed… and I’ve always been a sucker for the compliments, because I never felt attractive growing up.
My boys are (I think) awfully good looking. And charming, too. I’m terrified that they’ll turn into those attractive assholes that so destroyed my self-esteem. I’m perhaps hyper-conscious of it and I don’t know what to do about it yet – I’ll let you know if I ever figure it out.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Oh yeah – PS. You’re ALL pretty – breathtaking, in fact. Not just blowing smoke! Look at those maternity portraits sweetsalty Kate did months ago! And Oscar’s curly hair . . . little Posey’s round eyes. And you did well with Dave, he’s a fine lookin’ man. A handsome family, and I think it’s ok to be pragmatic and admit that the world will go easier on all of you because of it.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:34 am
Gosh, pretty is one of those things that I just don’t care about. And I think I’d feel the same if I had a daughter. That is, as long as she wasn’t hideously ugly. And I probably wouldn’t notice even if she were. Because there’s a reason for the expression “a face only a mother could love.”
June 8th, 2009 at 10:46 am
I want my girls to be pretty, sure. I don’t want them to be breathtakingly gorgeous, and I don’t want them to be so pretty that it’s a pain in the ass, but who are we kidding? Who wants their poor little girl to be ugly? That’s an AWFUL feeling, to feel like your face doesn’t make the grade, and the things that we – as smart, liberated women – want our daughters to value instead can feel an awful lot like consolation prizes for losing the big biological footrace.
My oldest child is a gorgeous little thing and KNOWS it and yet her character is very sound. She views her good looks with amusement, and I think it’s the right sort of balance – knowing that one is pretty and yet not taking it as the sum of one’s personality sounds like the right answer, I think.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Every single time someone uses the word beautiful or pretty in a room in relation to my child, I say loudly, often scooping Molly up and leaning towards her ear,YOU ARE SMART TOO. Smart is so much more important, my girl. Why do I do this? It isn’t because I was “ugly” growing up. It is because now at 34, I realize how damn gorgeous and sexy and amazing I am…and I realize that the crooked front tooth, and the acne scars, and the 10 extra pounds at the apple of my hips means nothing against the fact that I am smart, and creative, and open, and funny. I see far too many women who worry about dieting and clothing and the right hair style when if they just cultivated a sense of self they would truly be beautiful. Funny thing, I’m not often the most beautiful girl in a room, but I’m usually one of the most attractive to males-why? Because I own what I am. I am confident with my skin. It pays off. I want my daughter to be beautiful, and I just don’t think that hair, and nails, and body shape will give that to her. As for the taunts of growing up not an “it” girl, I’m no worse the wear for it. In fact, I think it taught me a sensitivity I might not have had. I agree with your husband. I think sometimes those “it” girls have it worse than the shy, lonely, nerd girls-who end up blooming radiant down the line. I’ve been teaching middle/high school for 12 years, and I think alot of that “beauty” does stunt their emotional growth.
June 8th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
I have boys, so I’m not wondering about the pretty, but I’m two steps ahead of you- it’s one of the reasons I thought having a girl would be terrifying. Because I think you are right on all counts and it shouldn’t matter but it does.
As far as the boys go, it’s not really good-looking quantitative- more of a, do you think he’ll be like Jim from the Office or Dwight?
June 8th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
To alter a cliche–I’ve been ugly, and I’ve been pretty. Pretty is better. (Though not by much.)
I never heard anything about being pretty from my parents (see my last comment) until I was in my late teens, and then it was my mom complaining all the time about how unfair it was that I was taller than her and thinner and had smaller feet. In other words, made to feel as if I had intentionally betrayed her in some way. This was unpleasant.
I tell Frances she is beautiful all the time, and I can’t help feeling that much of this discussion reflects the luxury of not having to worry about your daughter’s appearance too much. Frances is so unspeakably beautiful to me, but I have already learned that not everyone finds her so because she is different. She will grow up as a dwarf to navigate a world that puts a premium on conformity and sameness (while claiming otherwise), and I’m going to tell her something else besides that she has at least one absolute fan? I don’t think so.
(So far so good. She went to a birthday party yesterday with her father wearing her red party dress, which is smashing on her, and I told her that everyone would think she is so pretty in it. She said, “well of course they will, why wouldn’t they?”)
She is also clever and well-behaved and affectionate and incredibly resilient, and those things matter as much or more, and I point those out too. But pretty is a fact, and I can’t make it go away by looking the other way and whistling loudly.
(I’d also like to say that I’m an eensy bit bothered by the “pretty girls end up entitled/never accomplish anything” subthread. I get it that it’s tough to be unattractive–there was a time I was widely considered too ugly to ever be kissed by anyone–it’s not so great to show up at school and be told by your friends that so-and-so says you stuff your bra and don’t wear underwear and so-and-so says you’re a tease or a slut, either. Pretty girls aren’t genetically prone to lacking accomplishments and it’s not simply laziness or entitlement, but a very weird culture in which one quickly learns that pretty girls aren’t entitled to have their own personalities, but are expected to be blank canvases upon which observers are free to project their own dramas.)
June 8th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Back again to share this: M likes it when I sing Doris Day’s Que Sera to her. In the last verse, she picks up her elephant blankie and rocks it while I sing:
“Now I have babies of my own,
They ask their mommy, what will they be
Will they be pretty, will they be rich?
I tell them tenderly, Que sera, sera…”
Every time, M coos to her Ella, “you’ll be pretty.” I find it interesting that, at four, she already knows the cultural importance of pretty and yet has no clue as to the significance of being “rich.” And what’s more, Latin aside, she simply cannot understand the key point: “whatever will be, will be.” May she learn to let go, more than I have been able to.
June 8th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
I think about this, perhaps too much. Because pretty is important. I had a pretty cousin, and when the family is constantly talking about how pretty someone (else) is, it’s hard not to notice, not to look at yourself and wonder what’s wrong. The lowest point in my adolescence was when Dad had Mom tell me that I’d probably have more (or any) dates if I lost weight. I hated Mom for bearing that message and I hated myself for not being pretty in my father’s eyes. So what I want for any daughter I may have is, well, not that.
There’s this poem that I love, by Philip Larkin, called “Born Yesterda.” N used to read it to me when I was pregnant and your post conjured it up in my head, so here it is:
Tightly-folded bud,
I have wished you something
None of the others would:
Not the usual stuff
About being beautiful,
Or running off a spring
Of innocence and love -
They will all wish you that,
And should it prove possible,
Well, you’re a lucky girl.
But if it shouldn’t, then
May you be ordinary;
Have, like other women,
An average of talents:
Not ugly, not good-looking,
Nothing uncustomary
To pull you off your balance,
That, unworkable itself,
Stops all the rest from working.
In fact, may you be dull -
If that is what a skilled,
Vigilant, flexible,
Unemphasised, enthralled
Catching of happiness is called.
June 8th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Erica, i love that poem. and yes, the catching of happiness…that’s really it. i want her to believe that she is worthy of happiness; i want her to love herself. that’s all. but that gets so caught up, in this culture, in pretty. it shouldn’t, and a part of me really believes that the tyranny of pretty goes far to prop up patriarchy and all that crap…but we don’t live in a bubble and so i’d rather look at pretty head on than pretend it’s not out there.
Niobe…the fact that you added “as long as she wasn’t hideously ugly” makes me think maybe you miss my point. i’m not interested in judging Posey on her looks. but the world will, and will teach her to judge herself that way to an extent.
as a mother, i’m not sure i could believe my child ugly, no matter what. ugly, like pretty, only has a lateral relationship to beauty. when i held Finn as he died, after we took out all the tubes, i looked into that swollen, brutalized little face and thought him the most beautiful child i’d ever seen. only later when i saw the pictures, did i realize how others would’ve seen him at that moment. and it hurt to realize, but it didn’t hurt HIM…because he was gone. whereas what i’m talking about in this post is the split consciousness of trying to see and nurture with my motherlove eyes and figure out what the world will see at the same time, what messages the world will send…because Josephine will, i so very much hope, be around to carry the burden of however she’s taken up.
Andrea, it’s true, this whole conversation is kind of a luxury of not having to actually worry about her appearance being particular different or exceptional in any way. i do think that’s a privilege. but i also submit that most of the girls dying with self-loathing for the worthiness that they believe comes with prettiness – the girls with eating disorders, the girls sleeping around in hopes someone will give them love – are perfectly ordinary and typical. and my lifelong best friend, who’s been easily 250 lbs since junior high and is on first glance far more vulnerable than i to the judgements of others, has always carried herself with a confidence i’m still trying to find. the body we’re in and the face we wear only goes so far to shape our relationship with pretty, apparently. weird world, indeed, like you say.
June 8th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
perhaps we all just need to buy this. http://www.theonion.com/content/news/new_homely_doll_to_improve_self
maybe not for the little girls. maybe for ourselves.
June 8th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
I remember being about 11 and my mother was doing my hair and me asking her, “Why have you never told me I’m pretty?” And she replied, “I don’t want you to be stuck up.” And I certainly never heard anything regarding my looks from my father. It was just never discussed.
I grew up rather unsure of where I stood on the pretty scale. Even now, I sometimes wonder if I’m attractive. My husband will tell me that I’m sexy of beautiful, and I don’t know if I should believe him.
June 8th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
I’m not pretty and not bothered about it – it has always just been a fact. Sometimes a troubling one, sometimes not.
Now, I’m utterly confused about how I will help and support a daughter who is undeniably gorgeous by the standards of our society. Strangers already stop in the street to tell her father how gorgeous she is.
She won’t be perfect – she already has signs of having my unfortunate nose and blotchy skin – but strawberry blonde curls and steel-blue eyes will take you far in this world, I’m told.
We take the route of making sure we overbalance the comments about her looks with comments about other virtues. But, of course, when she dresses up and wants to be told she is pretty, we tell her she is beautiful without qualification.
But what we will do in the future? We don’t know. We expected our genes to combine into a slightly odd-looking, socially and physically uncoordinated, authority-averse artsy kid. While our daughter is all over the aversion to authority and the artsiness, she’s beautiful, graceful, and potentially athletic.
I’m glad she’ll be her own person so distinctly, but I frankly don’t know how we will keep up. It is hard to have a daughter. I work with women (pretty and not) who go through a lot, have gone through a lot, and it’s hard not to feel it keenly.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
I often wonder what my children will look like when they grow up – not just how pretty they will be but what their adult faces will look like. But when it comes to wondering how attractive they’ll be I find I do it more for Bub than for Pie. Maybe because I’m more worried about bullying with him, searching harder for things that will help him fit in.
June 9th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Hi! I wandered over from Sweet Salty because I see your name so much and then I stuck around because I came upon the best baby names. ever. Josephine? Oscar? Posey?
Love love love them.
And I like learning from all these comments and your post on pretty. I have to second one commenter who quantified it in terms of Dwight or Jim.
I mean – Angela is pretty. But look at Pam. She has a pretty heart. And that makes me all moon-eyed…
June 10th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
You are making me think today, dear bon.
I try not to play up the pretty so much. I will say “Your hair looks really pretty like that.” Or, “I like the way that dress looks on you.” But I also really try to emphasize the strong and the smart, the kind and the creative. However, I never really felt pretty past age 12 so I fear I obsess far too often about my own looks and I wonder if they pick up on that?
June 11th, 2009 at 2:19 am
hmmm, loaded issue for me. i was a pretty wretched looking kids, ezcema literally all over my body, raging red and little girls refusing to hold my hands because they thought i was contagious. ouch, still hurts. then hormones of puberty hit and i had a totally different experience, one where boys and girls liked me and told me i was so pretty. not an easy shift to take in, not one i did very gracefully.
i still feel like i need make up on to be pretty. and in ways i feel i dodged the bullet of the question you explored above. boys are boys, pretty cannot hurt. but girls are girls and i do think pretty helps a lot. it seems the way of it, but i also think the inner self reflects some type of radiance when it is good and that can be really really pretty.
um, and you are very pretty. just thought you should know.
June 11th, 2009 at 3:22 am
Whenever we talk about pretty in our household, we’re talking about clothing. We are casual bordering on sloppy, allowing the children (ages just-5 and 7) to go out w/ their hair messy or wearing items that don’t match; and I work from home, so more often than not I’m in jeans and fleece. So whenever a child chooses to wear a dress or pleated pants, or my daughter lets me put a bow in her hair, my husband and I gush: You look fabulous! You look stunning! What a gorgeous girl/handsome young man!
I didn’t actually realize we did this until I read your post & the comments. I will now go comb the children’s hair. Sheesh.
June 11th, 2009 at 3:26 am
But I absolutely believe pretty is about clothing. I’ve always been borderline pretty, and what I wear sends me one way or the other.
June 12th, 2009 at 2:41 am
When I was young and stupid I derided the following book to a coworker:
http://www.amazon.com/Why-Raise-Ugly-Kids-Happiness/dp/0870005073
Coworker and parent. From small town PEI by the by. He looked at me and cut me down. Made me to this day dedicated to expelling the smart OR pretty bullshit I was raised on. I find beauty inordinately useful with my children. I fight the consumer culture of beauty to preserve the beautiful.
The loveliness of kindness, sweet words, , beautiful voice, grace and humility is worth keeping. Beauty of appearance is alright, too.
June 12th, 2009 at 4:09 am
I also write on YummyMummyClub.ca, and I am partially there because I was so vehement with Erica about the “tyranny of pretty”. About how our culture emphasizes pretty over mother. I am poised to write a post there about the heart-hurting process of watching my beautiful child turn against herself as she is entering adolescence. I have to be careful, she reads everything I write. She is diligent about the potential for embarassment. But I can tell you here that I am finding the current teen culture, and her attempts to adhere to today’s standards of “pretty”, devastating.
Clearly I wasted my 20’s doing feminist theatre if it has all come to this. Britney & her ilk. Gossip Girls. The messages for girls are even more conflicted now than when I / we were growing up. Now girls must be pretty and smart and empowered. They must be “hot” and get into Princeton.
Tell your daughter she is pretty. Tell her so now & always & no matter what. Not because pretty is important in our culture, but because she needs to hold tight to her own core of self-esteem lest she cannibalize herself in the impossible face of our air-brushed culture.
June 12th, 2009 at 4:29 am
Your clever title threw me back to some nasty & boy-conflicted uni days. Excellent choice.
Your writing is splendid.
And I do admire the way you pose questions for your reader to consider at the end of your posts. Really lovely.
June 12th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
Earnest Girl, just came back to say a) thanks for the compliment, and b) this particular vapid plastic culture of pretty right now breaks my heart into a thousand pieces and i am hoping with all i have (in utter selfishness) that the pendulum swings again by the time Posey hits tweenhood and that she’ll just aspire to grow her armpit hair long and be a hippie, or somethin’.
June 13th, 2009 at 12:34 am
Curious – I don’t think my husband and I have ever discussed the girl’s looks, or our desire for her future looks. She is pretty, I think, but we talk more about her brain and her personality.
June 13th, 2009 at 8:48 am
Great post (and interesting comments as well).
Raising two daughters in the land where “kawaii” (cute) rules, this issue of “prettiness” often crosses my mind. This is also compounded by the fact that not only are my girls cute, they’re also “half” (the Japanese term for half-Japanese, half-non-Asian race; I don’t really like the term but there’s rarely any malicious intent behind it). Light skin, big eyes, light brown hair: the only way they could be considered cuter in this country is if they were blond and blue-eyed. Whenever we go out anywhere in our small mountain town, other girls and their mothers, high school girls and random passersby comment on how cute they are. It’s fine now, but I hope it doesn’t cause problems or limit them as they get older.
BTW, loved the title and how it eventually became apparent why you chose it. Quite possibly my 2nd favorite REM album of all time…