Tue 2 Feb 2010
done & doner
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on Friday, we had a snow day. and a very small special guest.
Theodore is seven weeks old. he’s a jetsetting babe, born in Korea just before Christmas, now circling the globe meeting his grandparents. he has the cutest passport picture in the world.
his parents are good old friends, of ours and of each other. we knew them before they were a couple. they knew us before we were a couple. we go back. and this first baby of theirs was awaited and loved even before i got to put my arms around him Friday and marvel at his tiny feet and froglegs, his fuzzy head.
Josephine delighted in him, bouncing beside his car seat pointing and squealing baby! baby! Oscar made him a special – if possibly slightly dangerous – mobile of Tinkertoys. Dave picked him up in a fussy moment and swung him gently side to side, chuckling at how light he is.
from the corner of my eye, i caught them. it is an unmistakable thing, the posture of your partner – your person – with a newborn cuddled close. my head snapped around to meet them. my heart caught.
the first time i saw Dave hold a baby, Finn was in his arms. tenderly, fearlessly, he cradled him. two pounds and two ounces can take great strength. and big hands can hold the tiniest ones with a gentleness you never thought possible.
he held Oscar the same way, all the long colicky nights we walked the floor, and Posey in her turn. but she leaps in and out of his arms, now, laughing, begging to be spun upside down. her baby days are gone. our baby days are gone. we’ve been sleeping through the night for a year, now, more or less. so holding Theo, Dave looked utterly different and entirely familiar all at once.
i held my breath, waited for the wistfulness to rock through me and my lungs to fill with longing.
nothing.
i breathed, but it was a sigh of relief. no want. no nothing, except bemusement. well, there you go, i thought. THAT’s what done feels like.
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i went for my annual exam – in other words, ahem, PAP TEST – last week, just after my birthday. the doc who saw me smiled and asked, so what are you using for contraception?
and i had a teensy little panic attack.
for twenty+ years i’ve been answering that question. for twenty+ years i’ve been answering reliably, perkily even. i am deeply eager to appear responsible. i am the Lisa Simpson of pap tests.
given that, the fact that the question caught me off-guard was odd, really. but what happened next nearly convinced me i’d fallen straight down a rabbit hole of 38-year-old dementia. my mind skittered around in my brainpan like a terrier, unable to latch onto anything salient whatsoever. contraception? it said to itself, nervously. it knew there should be an answer, but each time it wandered down the lurid paths where memories of contraception lurk, it came up empty.
sex, yes. protection? oh sweet merciful crap.
terrier brain screamed at me, o mah gods! you’re not protected! and i hyperventilated, spun round in circles, and tried to hide under the itty bitty johnny shirt i was sporting.
CAUGHT, finally, after all these years. i flailed and slumped like i do when Dave notices that the Nibs bags are all empty. i turned the colour of a tomato.
just as i was about to leap off the edge of the exam table and flagellate myself with the speculum, click. i remembered. vasectomy.
oh right. jaysus. permanent contraception i don’t even have to think about is NERVE-wracking.
but even in the moments when i couldn’t remember, i noticed there was no brief candle of hope for another baby.
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Dave rocked Theodore, and the baby fussed and peeped. i smiled, and Dave caught my eye. don’t go getting any ideas, he warned.
nothing is further from my mind, i replied, and i held his eye. it has been a long road, 5+ years of pregnancies and babies and sorrow and colic and hope. it ended, really, a few months back. but Friday, i noticed. and it was good.
then we nodded at each other, and handed that sweet little baby back to his parents. we breathed a big ol’ sigh of satisfaction, and maybe relief, and stepped over an invisible threshold into whatever the hell comes next, together.
did you ever know, suddenly? how did it come about?
or are you still waiting for that feeling? hoping? even without the actual expectation – or even possibility – of fulfillment?
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February 9th, 2010 at 7:05 pm[...] want to have another baby. Greedy again. I’ve read a couple of posts recently about being done or not done and found myself fantasising about those two faint lines. It is purely fantasy. [...]




February 2nd, 2010 at 9:33 pm
Nope, still floundering in the clouds of most probably done but feeling it all the time. IUD saves constant debate in the household.
February 2nd, 2010 at 9:48 pm
laughing at your teeny-weeny panic attack in the exam room.
laughing with you, i mean.
honey, i know you know this, but i haven’t experienced that done feeling yet. even though my body cannot bear any more children. i still long for another. i still feel that i was meant to have three kids.
sigh.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:11 pm
The opposite.
Seeing my ex with a baby, someone else’s, and the look of joy on his face, and realizing that yes, NOW, after two, after one that nearly did me in, the ache in my belly was the baby I so dearly wanted. How I wanted to WANT my children before they came.
I wish I could have had that feeling before. And now, I wish I could make that feeling, that emptiness for another, disappear.
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:43 pm
I didn’t really get to decide, infertility having resulted in a very expensive baby at the age of 42…
At some point after she was born and we’d moved out of the city, I got a new GYN. We went through my history, yadda yadda yadda, and she said “so what are you doing for birth con…” and burst out laughing, because, you know, nothing, no need.
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:30 pm
My IUD has also taken care of this for me
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:33 pm
I always knew I wanted 2 children. Certainly no more than 2. Yet somehow there’s part of me that isn’t ready to be done with babies. I have a lot of trouble parting with the baby gear.
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:50 pm
oh bon. you crack me up. seriously about to pee my pants at your exam room panic.
and i’m still waiting to cross the threshold into the wanting of the babies… sigh… do you really “know” on that one??
February 3rd, 2010 at 12:10 am
i think we had a glimmer of the done during our few days away, solo and ‘free’ whatever that means. we have not taken the next step, the snip step, but it seems like the route to go. i really have no desire to add, no need to try for that girl, the ache that reared its head last year is dull, if not absent. and usually we are too tired to even have relations while running after the dynamic duo…
but, then owen asks for a baby to take care of, or i cuddle a wee one and it tugs a little. just a little.
February 3rd, 2010 at 12:59 am
Still waiting. Still trying to figure out if the longing is for the one that was lost, or the one that might be. Or if the sadness is for the lost one, or the won’t-ever-be one.
February 3rd, 2010 at 2:54 am
i loved reading this.
i love your children’s names. names are a BIG obsession of mine. i treasure my children’s names.
i am not done!
February 3rd, 2010 at 2:58 am
We are done. Definitely. But then I touch our friends’ newborn baby’s head and twitterpate… and then my husband says he’ll hold off on the big V for a few years… and I watch our girls’ baby videos and imagine a third little one… I suppose you could say we’re gambling with the future without really minding either outcome. It must be such a relief to know you’re done.
February 3rd, 2010 at 4:24 am
That’s a lovely story.
Mine is much less tender. I was filling out our tax forms and saw all four of our names listed out neatly. “There, we are all here!” and I knew we were complete.
February 3rd, 2010 at 8:04 am
We were together for a lot of years, and always said we’d not have any children. And then I/we got “that” feeling, and I got pregnant. A sweet daughter later, who is our world, but I have not had “that” feeling again. That tells me I am finished.
February 3rd, 2010 at 9:39 am
Well, at 49, I think I’m definitely done. ; ) Not that I ever really managed to get started.
About two or three years after we’d decided to give up fertility treatments (when I was about 43)(using b/c sporadically), my period was late. It was Christmastime to boot, & I thought, “Oh sure…!” I bought a hpt & snuck it into my parents’ house during the holidays to take — it was negative. (AF eventually arrived — at 56-day cycle, my longest ever…!). I felt so relieved — much as I had wanted a baby, the idea of taking on another pregnancy (let alone parenthood, in the remote chance that pregnancy actually succeeded) at my age was terrifying. It was at that point that I realized that maybe I’d adjusted better to this childless living thing than I had thought. ; )
February 3rd, 2010 at 10:10 am
This could fill posts upon posts for me, as you know.
We have decided to have another… we won’t be trying for another year, but then, yes. Even though we both don’t like the first 18 months or so, we agree that when we picture our family in ten years, it’s got more than two kids in it.
In the meantime though, IUD. Because I know if we had to decide each time, on a case-by-case basis, I’d be pregnant now. Some days it just seems like less of a challenge than others, you know?
February 3rd, 2010 at 10:21 am
Ah, what a relief that “done” feeling is. I had it for sure, and still do – though my littlest is not yet 2. (Or, should I say BECAUSE my littlest is nearly 2!) The wistfulness and longing disappear, and what is left is just… a space of contentment. Sweet post. Have a great week.
February 3rd, 2010 at 12:00 pm
I’ve been saying we are on reproductive hiatus…neither us is DONE with finality, but we haven’t been in the place to have another, between school and everything else. But we just had an “OMG, the condom broke!” moment this month and though it was terrifying in some ways, we both were a little excited about the possibilities.
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:42 pm
I giggled when asked, and couldn’t wait to say vasectomy. I also delighted in the stunned look and double take of the Dr. I guess she didn’t think I was old enough to have kids, let alone be done. (I get that so often it’s old, very old)
I always thought I wanted 3. Mart decided during the pregnancy for the second that two was enough. It took me longer. First to decide that no, I didn’t want another. Second to come to terms with the idea I would never be pregnant again. That took much longer, despite the fact that one leads to the other.
February 3rd, 2010 at 2:31 pm
I’m still waiting for the feeling of done to totally take hold. I have had glimpses, especially on days like today where I am fighting to stay awake because I didn’t get much sleep last night, but for the most part still waiting and wanting. hoping? even without the actual expectation – or even possibility – of fulfillment? That sums up my position quite nicely, as I would probably jump in again, but DH feels we are done.
February 3rd, 2010 at 2:59 pm
A little more than 18 years ago, a month or two after Gray was born, I knew with every molecule of my being that I was done.
Um, yeah. That didn’t work out so well.
February 3rd, 2010 at 3:41 pm
I always planned on two. The surprises of the second have left me more open to the idea of maybe more but since even the thought of being pregnant makes me nauseous, I think I am done.
beautiful story bon.
February 3rd, 2010 at 3:59 pm
Oh Bon, I love you. Pls know the day you stop writing I will screech and die.
I have six months to my Pap test and I hope dh is by then sniped. Because I really don’t like how I say “condoms” with a hidden question mark, as if wondering, erm, they are truly effective, right???
I love how you cross into the whatever the hell comes next together, it can only be beautiful, with you. xoxo
February 3rd, 2010 at 4:04 pm
After I finish my current pregnancy, we are done. DH is getting the big V soon — regardless of the outcome of the pregnancy.
February 3rd, 2010 at 4:06 pm
I knew I was done right after the 2nd miscarriage. That said, M turned five this past week and I was simply not prepared for the reality of her being 5–a small child no longer. For over a week I have hungered–not to have a new baby–but to have the last baby that I don’t think I was meant to lose. I should have a 13 month old tottering about the house right now. I really should.
But I don’t; and so I deflect with comforting thoughts. I will not have to pay for day care past August. I will not have to get one child to school and one child to day care and me to work. I will not have to wait to travel with my girl. We can be mother/daughter together, just we two. Oh yes, we can.
February 4th, 2010 at 12:42 am
what hannah said. we struggle with much of the infancy/toddler stage, but love how the pnut has been for the past 3 years or so…and i just don’t have the feeling of being done yet. our family isn’t our family yet.
and my daughter has requested a little sister. so there’s that. but the whole situation with my uncle makes bringing another baby into the family challenging. i don’t know. maybe next year. i need to gestate and birth this dissertation first, i think!
February 4th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
I knew right after my fourth pregnancy started. One living child, two lost babies, and another one coming…I knew I was done. If baby #4 survived, we were done. If baby #4 died, we were still done.
I tried to get dh to get the big V while I was pregnant, but he insisted I wait until after the baby came. But I knew in my heart that even if baby died, I wasn’t going to do this again. Ever.
Baby #4 did live, and now we have two boys. Done.
February 4th, 2010 at 4:07 pm
I was folding a stranger’s baby clothes tonight (long story) and thinking, nope. not for me. but i’ve known that for years.
February 5th, 2010 at 2:21 am
Thank you for the road map. I’m not done yet, but the biological clock is ticking. Hub is very hesistant. I’d like to feel settled about this, but that may never be….
February 5th, 2010 at 7:00 am
Ha! I can’t even comment. Type, type, type. Review, mull. And delete. I want and I don’t. I ache and I rejoice. I have my three and though they ask for more, they are it. I think.
February 5th, 2010 at 8:35 am
Hi..stopping over from Grown In My Heart’s site. I have two kids (a nine year old daughter and six year old son) and every once in awhile I think about the “What ifs” surrounding having more children. It’s hard to think of myself as being done with it all, but oddly I’m okay with it. Fulfilled? Maybe..but definitely content.
In peace.
February 5th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
Yup. The big ‘V’ will be performed on my darling partner in two weeks’ time. Good times. No way on this planet, will I/we have another. Baby days will be blissfully gone. The other week, a friend popped by with her 7 week old. I momentarily caught myself thinking awww, what if… It was fleeting. I shook my head and came back to the reality that two is what makes our family complete. That and the fact that I really can’t go through “all that” ever again!
February 5th, 2010 at 1:39 pm
I wrote about this and linked to your post. girlinaboyhouse.blogspot.com
February 5th, 2010 at 3:26 pm
I clicked through from Girl in a Boy House. I am still waiting, still HOPING to feel it, and happily I do get occasional glimpses of it. My husband fully has that feeling, so I’d like to be on board too.
February 7th, 2010 at 10:52 am
My husband was snipped last summer. I’m 43 with three sons; the youngest is four. I occasionally have baby pangs, and admire those that know for certain their family is complete. For me, the realization that I simply don’t have the energy I once did, and we too have experienced some intense difficulty and heartache with our sons, leaving me frightened it will happen again… I simply don’t have the energy. But, I wish I did some days. It’s complicated for most women, especially when we hit our late 30s and early 40s. Wonderful post, as usual.
February 7th, 2010 at 2:12 pm
Bon,
I love how you take topics that are unmentionables and make them mention able. It is so obvious that they are also
relate-able to many heartstrings. Thank you for your writing.
BTW, those who share the big V safety net know that another child would appropriately be named Jesus.
February 8th, 2010 at 12:02 am
First of all, I loved the ‘Lisa Simpson of pap tests’.
It was so much easier to answer this question when we had two. I felt it in my cells that another little being was floating around out there, waiting to enter our family. And now we’ve had our three for a solid year, and I just don’t know whether this is it. Or not.
It’s hard to tell what’s heart and what’s hormones. I do want another one, I really do. My husband doesn’t. So for now, we wait. We started young enough (whoops!) that we can wait five years (thank you Paraguard!) and revisit the question.
but even if we aren’t talking about it, the idea swirls through my mind daily.
February 9th, 2010 at 10:24 am
I was done before I ever had the one I have. I was not that person who craved to have children, or be a mother. I am a nurturer, but I had been very satisfied nurturing things and people other than a child of my own flesh. Then I went and married Fertile Fred. I was 41 when we married, and 6 months later, after thinking I would never have children, and we were not trying to have them, I was quite unexpectedly expecting. I had to have an emergency c-section to deliver him at 32 weeks because I was VERY sick and the doctor was trying to be sure I wanted the tubal ligation I was requesting. “What if the worse case scenario happens and you lose him. Will you want to try again” she was asking this woman who was on the verge of dying because her body was not liking being pregnant. “Oh I am not doing this again. If I need to have a child in my life, we will find another way.” Fortunately, he thrived, and we are done. I am blessed to have him, but I am done.
February 21st, 2010 at 1:30 am
I truly don’t understand how people get to “done.” I want to. I know our family is full and large and happy and I should be done. But, I think some part of me will always yearn a little bit for this baby time. I’m having the hardest time letting go. I don’t know why? Because I felt young? Because it’s so intense? Because I fear who I am in the next phase?
I don’t know, but you make it sound lovely.
February 24th, 2010 at 11:07 am
I still haven’t all the way decided. My husband feels pretty damn done, however. But the way he holds small babies always whispers to me that despite what he says, he FEELS differently. My brain trying to wreck my marriage? MAYBE.
February 24th, 2010 at 3:52 pm
After F was born, I desperately wanted a third – he was such a different baby and I was so much happier and less anxious than with my first that I wanted to do this again. But as he’s grown older, and I’ve gotten more and more of my life back, I’ve realized I’m too selfish for a third. I don’t want to split myself three ways, two is enough and it leaves a bit for myself – to read, to write, to sew, to pick my nose if I want to… It’s been a gradual realization though and we’re not quite ready for the V yet… (My husband is, but I’m not 100% there…)