Sat 20 Feb 2010
junior
Posted by bon under pondering stuff
[21] Comments
he caught me on Facebook chat.
i have all the balls and forthrightness of Piglet when it comes to cutting conversations short. my mother raised me polite to a fault, especially with people who make me uncomfortable. but this conversation got ugly fast. by the time i managed to pull my parachute and eject, he’d already covered at least three or four mutual friends and acquaintances.
the gist? he’d apparently like to hit them. and not in the vernacular sense. twenty minutes of who owes him money and who he’d like to beat up.
what a charming way to reconnect, i thought.
i never knew him well. he wasn’t a lover, not even really a friend. in any other life, we’d probably never even have spoken to each other. but one year, in an expat bar far from home, he and i wiled away many a smoky hour at proximal tables. we knew each other surprisingly well for people with almost nothing in common but Canadian passports and a year of birth. we knew all the same people. i knew who he went home with, those three and four am pickups, and was baffled by his popularity.
some girls must like to listen to litanies of people a guy wants to beat the shit outta. or maybe he found different things to say to those girls: i was never sure. he called me Bonaventure, the biggest word i ever heard him use.
he bummed more cigarettes than anyone i’ve ever met.
he was the Don Cherry of our circle. he wore snakeskin shoes with a hockey jersey, usually. he had a mullet. in 2001. i don’t know if he still has it: his facebook profile is a picture of a monkey.
fitting…sure. cheap jokes are easy, though. i always thought he was limited, or…conversely…at least that my understanding of him was.
i begin to wonder.
which one of us spent twenty minutes on FB chat entertaining himself? and which one spent twenty minutes trying not to offend someone who’s built an entire identity out of being mildly offensive?
i ask you: which one of us is the fool? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
i am drained and tired these days, choking on my words. these are all i have, in lieu of a hundred things that really matter. all i know is when i put my son to bed half an hour after escaping that ridiculous chat – that chat that ate the luxurious few minutes of me-time Dave granted by taking both kids upstairs for a bath – Oscar lashed up at me, both fists swinging. uncharacteristic, for him. one of his stories had been rescinded. but each little punch was a question more than an expression of anger.
his eyes watched me, sage and distant, learning. what will happen if i do this?
i took his hands. i said, we don’t hit. we talk. it’s a better way to express your feelings. it helps other people understand you, rather than just feel hurt by what you DO.
and then i prayed a faithless little prayer that i am right.
anybody know where i might get him some miniature snakeskin shoes, if i’m not?




February 20th, 2010 at 9:49 pm
I wouldn’t worry about Oscar. You would never give him a mullet. And too much intellectual discussion in the house. More likely in therapy.
February 20th, 2010 at 10:24 pm
I, too, find it hard to extricate myself from conversations I’m not interested in having. Which is my problem with parties – invariably I “do the right thing” and talk to a person no one is talking to, but then get stuck with that person for absolute ages. Sometimes that’s by choice – they turn out to be a total gem. Other times, well, er, not so much.
As for Oscar, he’s going to try things on for size, but he’ll be oriented to whatever you and Dave do. In other words, he’s no hitter.
February 21st, 2010 at 12:20 am
no no no. not oscar. men like that are conditioned from birth in some way. and so obviously oscar is not.
lately things have been a whole houseful of rough with owen, it is like living with a teenager, nothing that i bargained on as we approach three. i mean, the kid locks us out of his room. all kinds of crazy. and as i paint worst case scenarios and decide on the next approach to the lock out and think about what exactly does it mean that my two year old wants to prepare his own eggs (sans any help), dress himself (sans any help) and drive the car to preschool (you get the gist) and then at two in the morning needs me to come in and give him a hug and snuggle…well, I wonder. and then i remember i offer my children words and love and conversation and explanation and i know snakeskin shoes are not in their future.
and they are not in his.
stay off fb…poison, i say.
February 21st, 2010 at 4:46 am
i know who you’re talking about… i don’t think you need to worry about your little man… but why on earth is he your “friend” on fb???
February 21st, 2010 at 10:36 am
Oscar is a beautiful soul. You see it in his pictures, you know it because of who his parents are.
My twelve-year-old is, quite frankly, acting in incredibly ugly ways these days. I breathe a sigh of relief when I send him out the door to school. But I still have faith in the beauty that is in him. Why? I see it in his pictures, I know it because of who his parents are.
Love to you.
February 21st, 2010 at 11:08 am
i don’t think i wrote this clearly, at the end.
i’m not so much worried that O will turn out to be a man for whom hitting is the way he interacts with the world. i’d be surprised. mind you, i never knew Junior as a kid. and even as a man, he has an odd sweetness, in spite of himself.
but i do wonder if the black & white line i draw wherein i present violence as ineffective and lesser is unfair, a skewed picture of reality. because i’ve watched the Juniors in the world, and they often do okay. and there’s something in that which offends my basic worldviews, makes me wonder if i’m doing my kids a disservice on some level.
Cath, i’d be surprised if you knew him…unless you two eventually crossed paths in Seoul? he’s from my Busan days, not Daejeon.
a character and an enigma, at least.
February 21st, 2010 at 12:14 pm
doing your kids a disservice how?
February 21st, 2010 at 12:16 pm
i mean, if you don’t present violence as ineffective and lesser, how would you present it? (i’m curious, because i have always presented it as, well, ineffective and lesser. :)
February 21st, 2010 at 1:26 pm
doing my kids a disservice in presenting my own moral criticism of violence without acknowledging that there is both power and cultural capital in it, particularly for men/boys. otherwise, Junior would have been shunned long ago. but in fact, he gets allowances all over, even from me.
in other words, it seems unfair to the kids to dismiss violence simply as lesser, b/c eventually they will confront a situation where it wins. and not necessarily in a moral way.
how do you guys deal with this stuff? especially as kids get older and their perceptions more complex?
February 21st, 2010 at 1:34 pm
Many violent people appear charming. Which is why so often friends and family are shocked when someone is outed for having behaved violently (either once or repeatedly in the case of domestic/family violence).
As for effectiveness, I guess that depends on how much you perceive the ends as justifying the means. Ideologically I am drawn to being a pacifist (both on a world scale and a personal one), yet I am so incredibly grateful that so many fought so willingly in wars (esp WWII) and I am tempted to have my daughter take martial arts so that she is prepared to defend herself (because there are too many Juniors and others out there). Which I, reluctantly, concede means I am not a true pacifist. So, generally I am against violence, but I acknowledge that there are times when greater priorities may require it.
In an ideal world there would be a way to talk / protest / negotiate our way out of any difficult situation or into any favourable position without the use of violence. Yet many do not adhere to this perspective. They are willing to opt for the fast and easy option of using fists over words, feet over intelligence, brute power over win-win engagement, menace over equality. If kept in check, this can work (particularly the latter), which is why it is a viewpoint continuously perpetuated. But at what cost?
So, really, it comes back to ends justifying means. Who do you want to be at the end of the day? What can you sleep with on your mind? What sort of society do you want to be part of, and what decisions of yours influence that culture?
February 21st, 2010 at 8:11 pm
Your response to O was perfect. No need for the boots at all.
February 21st, 2010 at 8:53 pm
“he was the Don Cherry of our circle. he wore snakeskin shoes with a hockey jersey, usually. he had a mullet. in 2001. i don’t know if he still has it: his facebook profile is a picture of a monkey”
I’m COLLAPSING over this. I don’t know which made me laugh harder, the 2001 mullet or the monkey FB picture.
February 21st, 2010 at 9:36 pm
“doing my kids a disservice in presenting my own moral criticism of violence without acknowledging that there is both power and cultural capital in it, particularly for men/boys”
right now he’s three and hitting is inappropriate. When his brain gets capable of understanding things that are abstract then talk about it. And really do talk about it. In the end the peacemaker is the one called blessed even if the big guns are winning.
February 21st, 2010 at 11:11 pm
Love this post. I’ve a few guesses as to the guy you’re describing. There are so many to choose from….
February 22nd, 2010 at 2:23 am
This person: “i have all the balls and forthrightness of Piglet when it comes to cutting conversations short.” I recognize her. She shakes her head back at me from the front hall mirror when I close the door on yet another solicitor to whom I could not say no.
Bon, you say you have little to offer, but this one does matter. This is a long, interesting important conversation. About how we teach our kids to draw their boundaries in the shifting sands of life’s social / moral / everyday choices. Not so much good guy / bad guy as it is Betty / Veronica. Asking for what you want / getting what you need.
In terms of my experience of child rearing in action, we taught & modeled talk don’t hit. We read all the anti-bullying literature, the social stories and Franklin tales, we sang all the songs of inclusion. But in the hard core hallways of teendom, the boys in the snakeskin boots & the girls with Veronica’s wiles are in charge. Sometimes talking will just get you hit.
Sometimes listening will lead to opening your wallet at the front door when you don’t mean to, sometimes not knowing how to slam a door leads to places you never intended to be.
I am talking in circles. I think what I am trying to say is that you are doing a good job. Trust your instincts & teach them to trust theirs so that they will know when the time comes which to choose, the fists or the words.
February 22nd, 2010 at 8:54 am
Earnest Girl…that’s exactly what i realized, in that instant of preaching the party line to Oscar, fresh from my chat with Junior. i WILL teach and model talk don’t hit, and i hope he and his sister grow into people who choose words over fists. but i am wary – even at this age – of presenting it as black and white. seems like a bill of goods. b/c the teen years will come, yes, and even now at daycare i watch the power relations and realize physicality plays a huge part in how the kids perform their roles in the pecking order. the Juniors of the world can’t be fully grasped or kept from taking advantage unless one is prepared for them, is what i’m thinking.
perhaps i’ll write me a children’s book called “The Snakeskin Shoes” about a boy who kept hitting people. hmmm.
February 23rd, 2010 at 1:28 am
Sorry to hear about the bad conversation with you know who. More sorry to hear about O’s outburst…any idea where it came from? Did he pick up a bad vibe? (sorry, that’s the hippie in me talking) Whatever you do, don’t go for the boots (you should preemptively proscribe hair metal from the house as well). Just be the awesome parent you are.
Love you, Dave, kids & kitty!
February 23rd, 2010 at 1:34 am
whoops…by bad vibe I mean the one you might have carried after a conversation with someone who’s pretty violent and aggressive.
February 23rd, 2010 at 3:03 am
oooh, write that book. and i am really glad i came back to read some of the comments.
it is a challenge, to know how to go about teaching and modeling that aggression is not the best means to a desired end. we have had challenges in the boys’ classroom, it is stacked with 9 boys and 2 girls and some of the boys are rough and from models of behavior that say ‘don’t hit’ in an offhanded manner (their parents).
i have had a hard time feeling comfortable as the boys come home complaining of mean kids and that makes me sad. they mainly keep to themselves and that was not really the aim for putting them in so-called social settings. and a part of me wants to smack down the kid smacking mine, you know? but we speak of the emotions they feel and are trying to stick it out, the teacher realized the issue and called in more help and tomorrow is a work day for me so that i can see how it is going…
but it is hard to know just how to approach this. i need that book stat. :)
February 23rd, 2010 at 9:50 pm
Dinah, no bad vibes really. Junior is what he is. it’s occurred to me over the past couple of days that he reminds me of a less charming Holden Caufield, totally immersed in his own narrative.
he made me think, which isn’t a bad thing.
March 11th, 2010 at 10:16 pm
BubTar got punched in the face at school this week. He notified the nearest teacher rather than smacking the little punk back. I was proud of how he handled it.
I think some of it is how someone is raised and part of it is their own nature and whether they are more easily given to violence. Nature and nurture together.