Mon 1 Mar 2010
easy as A B C
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a Sunday afternoon. after a morning spent almost entirely in motion and frequently in peril of minor injury, the wild Josephine has been bagged – sleeping-bagged – and corralled in her crib with an entire safari of stuffed animals. there is silence.
except for her brother.
Oscar no longer naps, a fact against which my time-jealous mind still rails. i am in the Denial stage of that particular grief. we moved past Anger, thank gawd, as fighting the inevitable in a loving yet despairing manner is a miserable experience that i firmly believe should be saved for one’s children’s teen years. we’ve also left Bargaining behind, when i realized that nothing short of tying the child to his bed was going to keep him in it. sigh. Acceptance is still a long way off.
i like the trappings of kids: PlayDoh and toy villages and Lego and fingerpaints and books and jumping on the couch like Spiderman. my problem with naplessness is that playing PlayDoh and Lego and Spiderman with children is an experience rather akin to being low-totem maggot in Basic Training: you do what they tell you, or ain’t nobody having any fun. and that damn Spiderman always ends up leaping on me. ouch. and oh, my exhausted, cluttered head. so the respite of naptime remains a bygone golden era that i hearken to, most longingly.
when they both napped, i had guaranteed kid-free time twice a weekend. kid-free time means i get to slip interruption-free into the pipe and slippers of twitter, and ease myself from there into the writing, reading and research that is my perverse notion of relaxation.
in words, i make myself. in crocheting my ass to the couch, i create the illusion of a room of my own inside my life.
my solution, since Oscar stopped napping, means even the couch is getting crowded. Dave sits on one side of the French doors between living room and our office-slash-playroom, at the desk, and i curl up, fetal and content, with my laptop. in the crook of my arm perches Oscar, with his laptop.
yep, we’re borg. looks on my works, ye mighty, and despair.
Oscar is the inheritor of Dave’s old 2005 iMac, the little white workhorse that could. it’s been dropped twenty times, easy. its cord is held together with duct tape, and it sometimes freezes while loading games from sesamestreet.org, but mostly it works well enough to operate as the household Mother’s Little Helper that engages Oscar while Posey sleeps and mommy and daddy work.
he plays memory on the KidsCBC site, and watches old Cookie Monster clips from my childhood. he’s mastered dragging the mouse around the screen and clicking, and he can work the volume controls and start a DVD by himself. increasingly, he’s able to sound out the first letter of commands and guess what his options are.
today, i heard him muttering a little sing-song ditty at his computer, one that was half-ABCs and half-admonishments. i asked him what he was saying. he looked at me as if i were unbearably slow. i’m having a compooooter probwem. it’s the ALPHAbet, mum. it’s a probwem.
he was putting his keyboard in Time Out for being all qwerty-like and out of order.
and i stared at my sworn enemy, the blank screen, and thought, it’s always the damn alphabet, son. if you’re ever gonna write, you may as well come to terms with that struggle early on.
see what leaps of cognition parental negligence can create? hell, i was in college before i realized the alphabet was at the root of all evil.
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in my professional life, i am an educator. i teach. i research. i write strategic plans for academic programs. and i think about how social media are changing the world we’re raising our children to live in.
in other words, i tweet with my kid next to me on the couch.
and he sees me type, and laugh, and click on avatars of people he’s even – in some cases – met. he sees the pictures of your kids that you broadcast over twitter. he sees the articles and posts you share that i pore over and – with the articles – make notes on, even though he can’t read them. he understands that mommy and daddy’s work is based on a whole bunch of people – real people, with kids whose names he remembers – and that crazy alphabet. he knows all these things are somehow magically connected inside computers.
he is not yet four, and i’d venture he has a fair grasp on knowledge in the early 21st century.
he’ll start junior kindergarten in September.
and a lot of what he’s learning here on the couch – both in terms of skills and the modelling we do here in borg central – is likely to get drilled right out of him the minute he hits school.
schools are, by nature, antipathic to online networks and connections. it’s not just that our litiginous society suffers paranoid delusions about people being out to prey on our kids; it’s also that schools themselves have all the swift reinventive capacity of the dodo bird. plus pesky things like, y’know, limited budgets.
but it’s mostly that schools are structured to replicate a model of behaviour and authority where power is located in the central figure of the teacher, and students are valued for their compliance, not their knowledge.
lining up, listening quietly, waiting one’s turn…these CAN be useful skills in almost any life context. they are only inherently useful in an industrial society where the goal of schools is to turn out good nose-to-the-grindstone workers.
in our society, which rewards assertiveness, innovation, self-marketing, and an internal locus of authority for critical thinking, they can be detrimental to students if they end up being the main message kids take out of their schooling experience.
i’ve worked in and around schools now for fifteen years. i think most schools try hard, as do teachers and administrators. and i value a great deal that schools do. i can’t imagine a field more frigging fraught and complicated and interesting than education, this great sociological experiment.
but neither can i reconcile this couch and the classroom as i know it, even when i stretch my brain. possibly it’s just another form of Denial.
but as both a researcher and a parent of children slated to hit the system running in another year and a bit, i’m curious. what does Acceptance look like, in terms of 21st century education? what does having your kids in school – or not, as it were – mean to you? how do you reconcile the ways of knowing, learning, and connecting that we do out here with what happens in classrooms? does it matter to you? and are we doing our kids a disservice by not only ignoring crowdsourcing and connected learning during the schooling years, but calling them plagiarism?
liven me up, here, people. ’cause i’m not getting a nap.
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March 1st, 2010 at 10:19 pm
oh darlin…no naps here for a long time. BUT, they can sorta occupy themselves….
School is…sigh. Trying to explain to my reasonably trustworthy child why she has to ask to go fricken PEE? I can’t. I shrug and tell her she just has to, and that yes, it makes no sense. I find I have to encourage her to do something different, to ask for more, to say it’s too easy. It’s frustrating, and likely only to get more so.
She tells me about her computer class, and how easy and boring it is, and I have to remind her that not every kid is lucky enough to have one at home…and she doesn’t quite get it. To her, EVERYONE is online.
It’s a brave new world. And it’s a bit odd. Just realizing that she’ll never take fricken cursive threw me for a loop…I’m getting old.
Which means YOU are getting old. :P
March 1st, 2010 at 10:33 pm
Hmmm. Well, I put my daughter in a multi-age program precisely because I wanted her to experience something different. And she did… and continues to now that she has moved from the K-3 to the 4-5 program. However, the glory days of the program she is in were before she joined. Now, with the pressure for kids to score well on standardized tests, the standard school curriculum is pushing its way in to her program. It is very frustrating.
March 1st, 2010 at 10:58 pm
Education comes in many forms. This year, we are sadly having to educate the 10 yo about how not ALL teachers understand creative, out-of-the box thinking and that school does not always equal learning. (“Copy this picture out of a book and color it” as learning? in 5th grade? c’mon!)
We’ve even had to help her learn that not all assignments have merit and sometimes homework DOESN’T MATTER. It feels very anti-establishment in our educationally oriented family.
But then again, the time when 8 yo was in kindergarten and was told to color a camel, then got in trouble for coloring it white because “that’s not the right color for a camel” is legend in our house. We tried hard not to cheer when THAT teacher retired – many years too late.
Our philosophy with public education is that simply supplements the education we provide at home – and have been providing since birth. When I think of it as a supplement and not the end all, be all of their knowledge development, I can breathe again.
March 2nd, 2010 at 5:28 am
As a learning institution school was not all that successful with me – the main thing I learned was how to cram, whether for exams, reports, speeches, anything. It’s not that school was a bad place, but it was not the challenging, engaging and mind-expanding place that I long for my children to experience when the time comes. I’ve been told that schooling on the whole has improved, and you have no idea how much I hope this is true.
Occasionally I daydream about homeschooling, even while knowing it’s not for us for a plethora of reasons. In my more realistic moments I wonder about how to build on the good that happens at school and address the bad. I ponder how to foster learning as integral to being human, thorough research as a given, critical analysis as essential, and – most of all – how fascinating, exciting and life-changing learning can be. if you’ve got any ideas on that, I’d be eager to hear them.
March 2nd, 2010 at 9:08 am
Having been “good” at school and even having had a good time at school – I now think that school as it is today is about the worst influence that we can have on our kids.
It’s really Lion Taming – with the teacher trying her best to keep the 30% who are out of control quiet at the cost of boring the others. All about peers – no cross fertilization across ages. No responsibility for kids. A focus on passing tests and keeping INSIDE the box.
I think that what we need our kids to be is to be the pioneer types that once came to PEI in the 1800′s. For surely we are going to need that resiliency soon? High coping skills. Being able to bounce back. Being able to come up with way out solutions. Looking out for each other. School as it is works against all of this.
So what to do? Set up your own school – a One room school that is connected to the world and connected to people that know cool stuff. Make many of the projects tangible. If anyone can do that you and Dave can
March 2nd, 2010 at 9:09 am
This isn’t always true. Our school district gives every single teacher and every single student, grades 4-12, a take home lap. My students blog across state lines with other students. We brought in Will Richardson and he talked about us using social media to teach. We work under the assumption that cognition is best developed when you differentiate, and work from a child-centered, exploratory model. And, our district is not the only one.
Have hope.
March 2nd, 2010 at 9:46 am
thanks for the input, and the hope from various fronts.
i’m not without hope – i subscribe to Debbie’s view that education will be mostly a supplement for my kids. but since education’s also my field, grappling with the stuff i can’t reconcile is something i need to do.
Kelly, i had the privilege of working with Will Richardson – we ran a Web 2.0 education project here and he came and advised and spoke. i value his work. but getting ANY computers in classrooms here is a big deal, with institutional bulwarks in place that limit their capacities.
more importantly, even with connectivity, what are they doing in your kids’ school? are they really getting the message across curriculum that they can constructively synthesize information of value to others? what are the factors there that make it work, where so many other situations default to the traditional “teacher as knower” model?
you gotta tell us, Kelly. of course, we may all move to your school district…
March 2nd, 2010 at 10:30 am
Lets see, in the 8 years Reiley has been in school we’ve had a teacher and principal fired. Fought against the schoolboard insisting that he be medicated for a condition he did not have. Paying through the nose for private evaluations because the school wouldn’t do another one. The one they did came back inconclusive and recommended medication.
Then we turned the corner. Found teachers who understood LD kids, R got the resources he needed and most importantly the acknowledgment that he isn’t stupid, difficult or ADHD. He was accepted into a SLD program where the first criteria was at least average inteligence. Suddenly he stands taller. Has a personal computer, accomodations and teachers who understand. I’ve seen both sides. I’ve learned to be an advocate. Really I’ve seen all sides, as Owen is one of those kids who does well in the system. He dots his i’s, crosses his t’s (and sometimes colours his camels white, he is my kid afterall).
March 2nd, 2010 at 11:29 am
Bon: Our superintendent believes that constructivism and reflection are the bedrock of education. Every training we do, all the teacher-talk is centered around that. Does every teacher buy it, no? But, I was allowed to develop a curriculum that is a workshop. My Developmental Reading class is about teaching students to read, write, think for themselves. We do media immersion. We analyze what it means to be a global citizen. We evaluate sources. We try and explore our voice and our role. It is exciting stuff.
The way my district grows this is to ask me, and others like me, to help train our teachers. I present this stuff with gusto. I try to create fires. Other passionate teachers do the same. We are innovative here, but it is hard-work because we are going against an institutionalized system based on the factory model.
I think it works because the administrators are committed and knowledgeable.
I drive an hour to work because I believe in this district, and I have worked in many. I think we are the start of what education can be.
I’m working with a school who does the same in Kansas. And, we communicate with the another district in Maine. We are small, but out there.
March 2nd, 2010 at 2:52 pm
Our daughter will be starting “private school” (eek)in the fall. She’ll be 3.75 years old at that point. The program, from what I’ve read and looked at firsthand, cultivates creativity from many dimensions…technology, arts, science, multiculturalism, being some examples. It’s also part of the school where my husband works. I do have a major issue with the fact that girls must wear skirts, as part of their uniform. How ridiculous is that? That’s another rant.
Being from PEI, though, and having had a reasonably good educational foundation on PEI, which has assisted me (and many former classmates), in becoming fairly successful (whatever that means), I’ve a philosophical issue with paying for this type of education. Unfortunately, the way the public system is, where I live, public school is not an option. Obviously many of us want what’s best for the children. Education is one of those things that should not be compromised; something I’ve definitely learned from my parents. I don’t know where many (not all) public schools especially in larger centres, have fallen off the rails.
On the nap front. Gawd help me when C stops napping. Ugh.
March 2nd, 2010 at 3:09 pm
I’ve had this open all day long but I am not here to comment. I am only here to register my INTENT to comment, as well as my regard for both your mad writing AND thinking AND tarot-reading skillz.
Thank you.
March 2nd, 2010 at 3:17 pm
I just had a long conversation about this with a friend. I really value the way the school system is teaching Norah that following a set of directions can lead to a predictable result. She is one who has absolutely no problem thinking outside of the box. In reality, she has no idea there is a box. She submits to the lineal heirarchy that is school when it pleases her or when there is nothing better to do. I am interested to see how Lucy who is by nature a bit more orderly than her sister takes to school. Will all of the in-the box- preformed activities stifle her budding creativity? Or will she also be pleased to realize that red and yellow always make anaranjado and then paint lots of anaranjado sheep… I have had a hard time joining in these conversations about the limitations of school before–because I had figured that all kids were the little lunatics that Norah is and could all benefit from reining in and focusing.
On the other hand she has an amazing teacher straight from her stint in the peace corp who is begging Wordstock to develop a kindergarten curriculum just for her. So it could also be that I am happy with her school because her school and her teacher are awesome. : P Hard to say.
March 2nd, 2010 at 3:59 pm
I think that almost every single kid I know, from an early age gets lots of screen time, and doesn’t need it at school. I used to think this didn’t apply to lower income kids/immigrants but it turns out they are more likely to have access to a computer and the net than others, because with the invention of skype, it’s pretty much mandatory to have a computer in the home and an internet connection instead of having to spend hundreds of dollars a month in the olden days on paid long distance phones to the home country. So yes, kids use it, and it comes naturally to them, with very little instruction. I actually asked my kid’s school to stop doing “computer” class because all the kids knew how to use them and it was the principal and teachers own fears about inability to use new technology that made them think it had to be taught.
Same for “keyboarding class”. We bought Mavis Beacon teaches typing, very cheaply and in no time, my oldest could type perfectly.
For those things, computer programs and the web are fine.
But as a parent, I have no idea how to teach my kid to read anything or how to do math or analyze higher level things. I can answer questions and help them research to an extent in several areas, but not all and not as thoroughly as someone who is trained to do it.
Yes, I do believe in phonics and direct math instruction especially in the early years, because to be honest the arguments of the other side never made sense to me. They say it stunts creativity, but the most creative writers of the 20 century including you and Kate at Sweet and Salty and many brilliant creative people learned that way. The people who invented computers and the internet learned without the internet! Same for every artist, musician, and scientific researcher currently out there.
Were there teachers who were unkind and rigid and even cruel in the olden days to kids with family problems or LD, or ADHD, or dyslexia? Of course–and that has to change and those teachers need to see that kids aren’t willfully refusing, but are unable to go as fast, and maybe need variations in method. But to me that doesn’t mean we should throw out the entire old way of teaching.
Meanwhile vast numbers of teens my older sons age are flunking math with the new collaborative math style. It’s become a huge problem for universities especially for math and engineering departments and they are bluntly saying that to the Ontario Ministry.
For me, I don’t think I could teach my son, because I get incredibly frustrated trying to do it, because we end up at loggerheads on issues and really, it makes more sense to have someone else teaching him, so I don’t freak on my precious snowflake, when he gives me a “duh”.
The best teachers for my son have been the ones who were gently honest with me and told me he was having trouble learning, exactly how and why and when, so I could get him help. I could never see a fault in him and I needed someone to help me see that and make it clear that it wasn’t the end of the world and we could deal with it.
And yes, these were also the same teachers who were able to see his abilities and let his good skills shine and not turn him into one big disabled puddle of problems. That has happened a few times and it has frankly killed me….he has talents and deficits, and both matter.
As kids get older, they need more creative thinking and interesting ways to look at the world, and I don’t have a problem with adding more collaboration then, as long as it isn’t an excuse to have the smarter kids teach the slower ones and then the board cuts the teaching staff….and make no mistake, on the ground, that can be how it turns out, regardless of how research shows it “should” look. Stupid politicians.
I think we were chatting about blackboard on Twitter one night, and I know you like it, but again, I think it depends on the kids. My sons school doesn’t use it, because when they tried it the level of bullying and self-consciousness of the boys in the 12-18 age group was horrible. Most simply refused to participate and said they’d rather fail than let the other kids see their work. Testosterone FTW…and that may be completely different with another group, gender, teacher, school. Or even in a situation where all the kids are math geeks, evenly matched, or writing disabled, evenly matched. (or any other groups….)
That said, they do collaborate on other projects, verbal debate teams, PPT presentations, and a science wiki are some things I recall of the top of my head. Those worked because the kids could prepare something on their own, and then add it in. Less handwriting, and less critiquing as I recall.
I’m rambling now….but yes, school is needed, but mostly because parents can’t do it all and even trained ones, need an outside eye to observe and help and give feedback.
March 2nd, 2010 at 4:35 pm
Aurelia…good points about the best teachers…i think those hold true across the board. but in terms of the rest, i’m talking about epistemology, not content. i have no problem with kids being taught to read (though there’s not much of a great secret to how that works instrumentally, to be honest, any more than there is about how typing works) or taught math explicitly, from whatever model. i’m talking about the underlying assumptions (that you’re actually reinforcing) that old-school schools hammer into us at a fundamental level: about teachers having some kind of secret knowledge, and students learning by jr high that sharing their work is shameful…whether it’s done online or on paper (not a Blackboard fan, for the record, but do like Moodle. am big on open rather than proprietary solutions).
i’m not concerned about kids having technical literacies with technologies, but understanding and practicing the kinds of actions one undertakes in a knowledge economy, and doing it in a supported and scaffolded way from an early enough age that they CAN handle doing it through the horrors of adolescence.
i don’t think parents can or should do it all (unless they choose to, through homeschooling). i do think schools should be asked to do it differently, at the fundamental level. our society does not run on a 50s model. but many many of schools still struggle to crawl out of that rut.
March 2nd, 2010 at 7:18 pm
Ahhhhhhhhh
Ok, I don’t mean that teachers have secret knowledge so much that I mean that I respect that they are a profession and there is training required like any other. Putting aside the issue of homeschooling—teaching a child, leading a class, knowing how to pace assignments, and reach individual kids who have a hundred different issues are skills. Ones that many teachers don’t have, and ones that many non-teachers do have and vice versa.
I’m not that person. I can write, research, and have a keen interest in lots of things, but not everyone wants to learn education techniques, or is capable of that. And no, it’s not easy. You think it’s easy because it’s something you are interested in and good at. (Just like I think politics is easy. LOL)
Good example? My husband was a priest, and was assigned to be a teacher many years ago at a Catholic boys school, and he was well trained, though not very good at it. But he hated it. Every.single.second. And he was bad at it. So he left. And did what he really wanted to do. Be a lawyer and a financial whiz guy.
He hated it, couldn’t figure out to deal with kids and so he sucked.
So no, I do think that many teachers, especially well trained ones who love it, are better than the average Joe at this! Much much better!
(And I think that applies to any profession incidentally.)
As for the rest of the issue?
Hormones exist, and tend to undo a lot of things that are previously taught. I think that is natural, and I don’t think society teaches it alone. At a certain age, wanting to preen and look good is part of nature. and so is shame.
But I don’t think technology is going to make these patterns any different.
At it’s core, this is all about societal expectations and stigma and shame. We think schools can fix everything. But they can’t. Lots of kids have preexisting issues. Mostly because of parents who either can’t or won’t face their own problems.
But if we really want to try? Then as I said in part of my earlier comment, parents need to face reality about their kids. The bullies who ridicule kids about their work are often from homes with problems, or have problems themselves. And no one will deal with it when kids are young to solve it then and get therapy or take meds, or teach the kid how to deal with it, or get them special ed help.
Schools can’t solve any of this, unless society does too. They are huge and important, but they can’t do it all, and it’s unfair to expect them too if no one else in government or the home or the workplace will join in.
And yes, maybe I got this comment wrong too—but I am trying! Sorry if I am not quite getting it.
March 2nd, 2010 at 11:54 pm
This hit me square between the eyes: “schools are structured to replicate a model of behaviour and authority where power is located in the central figure of the teacher, and students are valued for their compliance, not their knowledge.”
…and the only thing I can muster up in response, despite mulling this over throughout the day, is this: I do not believe in math instruction of any kind.
Honestly, I hadn’t thought that much yet about Evan’s education. He starts kindergarten in September, and the other day, we took him in to register. He met the principal, who was young and vivacious and lovely. And the whole time, all I could do was stare nervously at the small conference room right next to her office and wonder how often we’d be in there discussing why Evan WILL NOT STOP TALKING. EVER.
In recent months it’s been revealed to me in various ways that I’m extremely sheltered and naive. So I’ll preface what I’m about to say with that.
I feel like Evan and Ben are going to be alright. They’ll zero in on what pursuits make them happy. I’m just hoping it doesn’t involve a lot of pot.
I went through public school in the 70s and 80s with both fabulous and not-so-fabulous teachers. I think it’s involved and supportive parents that helps us find our way along with (despite?) modern education.
I turned out okay. Except for how I’ve made others around me suffer my insufferable naivete.
March 2nd, 2010 at 11:57 pm
To clarify: when Aurelia said in her comment, “I believe in direct math instruction…” I shuddered. I failed Math For Blacksmiths three years running, and was only allowed into university if I promised to never touch another number ever again.
So, yeah. Kidding except as it relates to me. I can’t even read a fuckin’ clock.
March 3rd, 2010 at 12:38 am
Fascinating conversation. As someone without kids, I still take a keen interest in education because, well… that’s the most important thing in keeping society running and semi-civilized. I think as someone with no kids, I also have a different perspective because I tend to look at the bigger picture. Parents, naturally, are concerned, sometimes obsessively so, with the success and education of their own kids. They don’t have much time or inclination to worry about their neighbor’s kids. But the neighbor’s kids will be just as important to society as a whole. They will end up doctors or killers. Many of the suggestions and actions I hear about from friends, from fancy private schools to homeschooling to crowdsourcing might do wonders for one child, particularly one with educated or well-off parents, but won’t really help the large percentage of those who dropout or come from poor neighborhoods. These kids need to be educated too. But none of us want to send our kids anywhere near them in their metal-detector protected schools. Frankly I am less worried about Kate or Bon’s kids, who I assume will grow up smart just listening to dinner conversation, than those will few options.
March 3rd, 2010 at 12:39 am
this is a tough one for me. i have issues with our school system here in california, maybe in the nation, maybe in the whole world. i mean, i went through school, right? made it in and out, came away with knowledge synthesized because of and despite the teachers. i was sheltered in the private sector for many many years (actually, all of them). i have the college degree my dad touted and it has made my life easier in many ways.
having said that…are schools the same as in my days? probably. maybe not. there is so much emphasis on standardized testing and our teachers in this district are actually given a script (a SCRIPT) from which they should not deviate. they prepare for tests, take the test, take a break, go back and prepare for the next test. they give kindergartens homework and, yes, tests here.
we live in a lovely town, but there are so many variables that are playing in my mind right now as i consider those boys of mine plunging into the whole mess that is the education system of today. homeschool does not always sound like the answer when i think on this subject. unlimited world travel? that i would take.
great writing again, bon. lately, you are the one writer that stretches my mind and makes some of the atrophied muscle up there flex.
March 3rd, 2010 at 5:32 am
I loved loved loved this post. It’s like you’ve lived, worked and thought the things I’m thinking. Me being so damned stubborn, I’m deadset against the idea of formal schooling for my daughter because of that very conveyer-line scenario, where performance and silence are medal-winning, and creative play at ‘inappropriate times’ is liable to call for an ADHD diagnosis.
March 3rd, 2010 at 12:00 pm
Naturally, I view this debate through the MBTI lens: you’re saying that schools are too J, that they crush the creativity and independence of children? Considering that the vast majority of teachers are SJs, there is a certain plausibility in that claim. But what I find when I teach international students is that they are amazed at the way students here address their teachers as equals, at the expectations here that students will think for themselves, have their own opinions, do more than just regurgitate received opinion. Don’t you find that with your students? Of course I’m talking about the post-secondary level here, but our students couldn’t do those things if their elementary and secondary education didn’t prepare them for it. (I do love the way my Caribbean students invariably address me as “miss.” It makes me feel respected and young AT THE SAME TIME.)
In Bub’s Grade One classroom, there is tons of technological support. They have a computer, a Smart Board, an iPod Touch (not entirely sure what educational purpose that last one serves, but whatever). This is huge for Bub – it’s much easier for him to learn from technology than from social interaction, and it’s actually easier for him to comply with an apparently objective machine than with an arbitrary human. It has meant, though, that Bub perceives a lot of what he does at school as fun, and so we are learning, rather painfully lately, that when things are not fun or appealing, he still has to do them. I don’t resent that lesson – I think it’s incredibly important, and yet so counter-intuitive to a six-year-old who is quite persuaded that he can simply choose not to work.
Perhaps because Bub has so much difficulty coping with the demands of a structured environment, I’m especially aware of the importance of learning to cope within those structures. The workplace demands and rewards more creativity and independent thinking now than it did in the 1950s, but people still need to learn to meet deadlines, accept instruction, work within structures that they don’t fully control. I worry about Bub’s ability to learn those things. I expect the school to accommodate him when necessary but also to push him to adapt as much as possible to those kinds of realities.
March 3rd, 2010 at 12:52 pm
fascinating the directions this conversation flies around in. schooling ends up being a lightning rod for so many diverse discussions.
Bea, i love the MBTI perspective. but no, i’m not exactly saying schools are too J (though i think some of the commenters may be coming from this perspective, and the straw man stereotype of old-school schooling is pretty J). i actually think one of the purposes of schooling is to instill societal J literacies, since some J skills/perspectives are necessary for most avenues of opportunity and privilege in life.
i’m saying that the J literacies schools currently model and reward are often epistemologically outdated, and kids who are good little model students leave school with a naive and detrimental expectation that they will be directed throughout their life path by an external authority. Js CAN be good decisive critical thinkers, but that is a TAUGHT skill.
March 3rd, 2010 at 12:59 pm
oh, and Neil, i agree…i’m not so worried about my kid, exactly. he’ll see critical assessment of crowdsourcing, etc, modelled at home…and hopefully he’ll learn to carry the school and home versions of “useful skills” in his mind at the same time, even if they are in places contradictory.
but since this is my profession, i do worry about the kids who don’t have models for powerful social literacies in their home environments. if school teaches them to be the sort of people for whom – worldview-wise – there are fewer and fewer opportunities, then isn’t it failing its original mandate of socialization?
we have an industrial-model school system, overall, for a post-industrial world. Kelly’s school district and other alternative, flexible, forward-thinking efforts are what interest me, epistemologically. i think the shift does require technology, but is not ABOUT technology, any more than the old school model was ABOUT books. it’s about how we see knowledge and convey models of opportunity and power to kids.
March 3rd, 2010 at 1:11 pm
Do you think that the school system doesn’t teach critical thinking currently? My most recent post was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but it reflected my sense that we are, culturally right now, almost obsessed with critical thinking along the model of picking a side and arguing it – to the point where we’re willing to sacrifice other important virtues to it.
I think I am probably exactly the good little J you mentioned in your comment. One of the reasons I am very content in my teaching-only niche is that I find research to be too open-ended. When I teach, I am comfortably locked into my syllabus, with a weekly schedule of classes to keep me on track. Research is totally open-ended as far as scheduling is concerned, but it’s also open-ended as an activity. I have a really good idea right now for an essay that would fit nicely within the parameters of a call-for-papers I saw recently, but what puts me off the whole project is that first stage of research, where I have to go the library and randomly sift through the database looking for the type of articles I’d need. If someone just handed me a booklet with all the stuff I needed in it, I’d be happy to read it all and write up an essay based on it – but the sheer open-endedness of that initial research just throws me into a kind of J-panic.
March 3rd, 2010 at 6:13 pm
Again, I am coming to this as an outsider, but I am a strong believer that there is good and bad in everything. I would hate to see traditional teacher-book education be tossed aside because it has played an important role in our lives, both educationally and culturally. I find a world of home-schooled children a frightening concept, considering the limited world-views of most parents. We might as well throw the whole concept of the “melting pot” out the window. As for crowdsourcing, I am struggling to understand how that would work. Five minutes on Twitter, and we all know that it filled with people who talk about stuff they don’t know anything about, even liars trying to sell us stuff.
I always find it interesting how many blogging and tech conferences there are in this world. You would expect that those who most advocate an online world end up meeting in person so they can network, advance their careers, and learn. I am constantly hearing that it is at conferences where the deals are made, and where friends connect. Is old school social interaction obsolete? Has technology taken over? I don’t think so. Skills learned in the playground seem to trump everything.
In some ways, if we really want our kids to succeed in the real world, we would not focus on technology. We would give them marketing courses in first grade.
March 3rd, 2010 at 8:31 pm
in a sense Neil, that’s exactly what i’m talking about. and in another sense, Bea, i agree we’re pointlessly obsessed about critical thinking. both technology and critical thinking are buzzwords, and people/programs attach to them wholesale (for marketing purposes, both personal and institutional/corporate).
i don’t think the education system needs more buzzwords. or more of either of those things simply because they are buzzwords.
i think about how the two intersect. in my mind, there is a space where the critical paradigm crosses the spectrum of things that Web 2.0 and post-Web 2.0 technologies make possible, and THERE something happens.
i think that what it is possible to know and how it is possible to know in a given time are things that are shaped by the technologies available to think with at that time. and somewhere in that intersection is the cultural shift i’m trying to address, one that i think education cannot afford to ignore if it wants to retain any relevance.
mass public education is a construct of the industrial age, and was built on a military model for industrial society. it reproduced the status quo and the hierarchies reasonably well, and told its own marketing ‘truths’ about equal opportunity. in the past generation we’ve seen real attempts to create a far more progressive, critical pedagogy to match the cultural shifts of a post-industrial society, but i think without the new epistemological model offered by technologies, we end up reproducing a kinder gentler status quo school that’s still failing to do any kind of fair job of educating post-industrial citizens.
March 3rd, 2010 at 8:35 pm
oh, and i think teaching marketing to kids – and deconstruction of marketing, and the more complex deconstruction of the impacts networks and communities (RL and technological) have on our choices and self-images and personal “brands”) is an important part of the kind of intersection education i’m on about.
i’m trying to develop a paper/presentation on this, and the multiple viewpoints and ways this conversation is taken up are helping me clarify how totally unclear i am. :) so, uh, thanks?
keep it coming, please.
March 4th, 2010 at 12:34 am
It shocks me to think about how connected my kids are and will be as they grow.
I used twitter in a class I taught last summer and will use it again this summer — it was an experiment before, but one that really paid off. An interesting way to get people to briefly throw around ideas and links. Natch, social networking.
March 5th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
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March 5th, 2010 at 5:36 pm
I’m a librarian so I think I am all about reflexive group-by-differentiated learning opportunities and inquiry.
I have wonderful people working with me (including our Superintendent) on our new digital library to keep the teacher central to selecting resources for learning an improve student success with their wayfinding while we shift from information to communication sources for learning.
I am an instructor terrified to give up my powerpoints to my students before and during lecture and in all perpetuity. But I’m bad with power anyway, better to let it go.
I am grateful for earthquakes that we might remake many of our buildings and do away with cells and bells models.
I am a mother who feels that school is NOT the largest part of my kid’s day. And I feel alone in that. Parents ask too much of schools.
I am a realist and this province is broke. What will we do?
I want to go out for dinner with you and talk it all through. As if!
March 5th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
Whoops I mean.
We’d never be through. Would we?
March 6th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
I’ve been chewing on this a lot. I have one remaining question… and it’s a big one!
What career can an adult follow where there success will be hampered by a large knowledge base (fact memorization), a humble willingness to follow the directions of the superior (teacher in charge model), ability to get details correct (working through activities that are specific and not child imagination led), and the ability to use time efficiently while at the work place (classroom socialization.)
I’ve tried to follow the education theory talk, but I’m not familiar with the jargon. I was a product of the public schools, but also a hard nut to crack with parents who strongly encouraged my creative, independent side. : D I think I was a career failure because of the lack in the areas I mentioned above which I *think* are the goals of the industrial education model.
So I don’t mean it snidely at all, but I am curious about the great shift in work place that makes those things obsolete. (I’ll need a job again someday!)
I do absolutely agree that the exclusively teacher directed activity method inhibited my ability to be a self started at work…or another way, I’m not naturally a self starter and so the teacher directed activities didn’t strengthen me in that area of weakness and that was also a problem in the work place.
So really, just to erase my ignorance. : ) What are the new era jobs you are thinking of that have replaced the industrial model in the working world?
Traci
March 6th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
Traci, it’s a perfectly reasonable question.
part of the shift i’m talking about is a shift away from the “job” model in the first place, to a self-marketing model where professional people capitalize on their knowledge-production and synthesization skills and their communities and networks to “monetize their assets”: ie, run their online lives as niche businesses. this is already happening on a fairly grand scale, all over the blogging community. few get rich but many are able to make a living, especially those whose skills relate to other industries (such as education, among others) where they can establish themselves as consultants.
launching out on a path like that when you’re waiting to be discovered and approved of and selected by an external authority is HARD. and many of us took from school that our role as adults was to be in some vague way good enough to BE selected: that the external authority would determine our options and success, not ourselves.
i’m still working hard to overcome that.
beyond that, even working in education at a series of contract jobs, which has been most of my career, some of the skills you mention have been rewarded while others have not. like i said, i believe any of the skills a traditional classroom model teaches CAN be useful, but fewer and fewer are inherently useful. humbly following directions works great in an industrial setting, where hierarchies are clear. few of the universities i’ve worked for have had clear hierarchical structures, and while there are certainly times to follow a boss’ direction, absolutely, few of my bosses have ever given much direction. beyond the lowest level of professional work, people are usually hired to figure out a way to an institutional goal on their own. waiting to be given clear directions can be extraordinarily harmful to a career in this type of environment, ghettoizing the worker as someone with no leadership or initiative, fair or not.
and the decreasing value of fact memorization is a product of a society where it’s easy to google facts, and thus the peak of knowledge is no longer knowing them but knowing what to do with them. alas. because i am a very good memorizer. and i think there will always be some use to it. but it is not longer a skill on which power rests, by any means.
March 6th, 2010 at 3:40 pm
btw Traci, TEDxNYED is taking place today and being streamed online: it’s an independent TED talk for education.
http://www.livestream.com/tedxnyed
quotes: “in the real world, the tests are all open book.”
“we have to stop this culture of standardized testing & standardized teaching: FUCK the SATS.”
wow. getting radical out there.
March 6th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
On my drive home “networking” lodged into my brain and I realized how impossible it is to be employed or grow your career without a deep and wide network, which is much of what you are talking about.
I think the world of education has evolved in this area much quicker than the rest of the working world. I see people with great educations struggle in the work force because they still start out at the bottom, expected to prove they can “work” before they are given creative freedom. And then, of course, the employees that rise to the top are those that can take direction, please the boss with their performance and after that prove they have something new and fresh to offer their employer (or the competitor, or to be able to create their own employment.)
It seems to me that some level of buckling under authority still needs to be learned, but frankly it is probably because I fight against it so hard personally! I hate to be bossed around! : D
I’ve enjoyed using my brain and contemplating your blog post. Thanks!
March 8th, 2010 at 8:08 am
Math always comes up, doesn’t it? As a physicist, with a math teacher for a mother, I’ve always been concerned with the attitudes around math education. I love math, to me it’s absolutely beautiful and requires problem solving and creativity – things Bon’s highlighted to her as concerns. Kate – I wish you’d had my mother for a math teacher – I think growing up with her helped insulate me from all the negative attitudes!
As for education, Duncan’s already in pre-kindergarden, here called ante-preschool (they start them early here in Scotland, as soon as they turn three). I’ve seen a huge change in his independence since starting, he’s learning social skills, how to operate within a structure (useful – even if it’s just how to subvert the structure), and he’s gaining confidence.
But we’re at an excellent school and I am in awe of his teachers (and wish they’d consider teaching me how to parent as well). We moved to get this education for our boys (much cheaper than going private) though and I’m concerned that in Scotland there’s such a difference between school systems. Here it’s not so much the problems with education as a whole, as the fact that one school will have all the problems due to social deprivation and another is full of motivated kids from middle class families. I know my boys will have a good education, will learn to think, to interact with their communities both in person and online (they are already doing this!). But what about the other half? What about the kids who are going to struggle, no matter how bright, to change their circumstances? What about the financial costs to the country of an unprepared work force? Why when this has been a priority of the government for so long is it still not improving? This wasn’t the case growing up in Toronto and it’s my main complaint about how things are structured here.