Tue 18 Oct 2011
yes, Virginia, there is an agenda
Posted by bon under issue stuff, pondering stuff, social media meta stuff
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Toronto. Blissdom Canada, year 2.
i had fun. saw some of my favourite people, had interesting conversations, danced, got kissed by a yam puppet, and sat on a panel with Nora Young of CBC Radio’s Spark. i can die happy.
i also realized that social media is slipping through our fingers.
tonight, the night after the morning after the morning after, what i miss is the people. the sitting up late, perched on staircases or outside in the blue air, talking. connecting. cementing tentative bonds of recognition.
that’s what conferences are for: the connecting.
i like to think that’s what social media is for, too. (i mean, not ONLY that. i haven’t been asleep since 2006. i like the word brand, may gawd strike me down).
but after Blissdom this year, for the first time, i have real misgivings about the future of social media.
i think we mighta sold the farm, Virginia. and we didn’t even notice.
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once upon a time, long long ago before anyone had invented the term SEO, there were days when social media was mostly about peers. finding ‘em. creating relationships.
online platforms were a means of finding others and their ideas, of network-building, and sharing. the connections grew rhizomatically, like weeds, node threading to node without formal goal or overarching strategy. it was a bit of a jungle.
there were always metrics: ways to judge one’s Return On Investment for the time put in. eyeballs on one’s work always mattered, and some identities were bigger than others. so were their networks, and their reputations.
(this world was not a monolith by any means, Virginia: different communities and corners of what was then mostly called “the blogosphere” had their own etiquette, their own implicit rules around reciprocality.)
but it was mostly a world of what’s called produsage: the people who created stuff and shared it were also the consumers of other people’s stuff. that’s what the connections served.
it was more or less a peer-to-peer environment. connections were about interest, even when the people forging the relationship had platforms of different scale. yes, there was cultivation of fame for its own sake, and fawning over major profiles: all the things that metrics encourage. there were ugly things there, too, and inane things, and lots that probably made no difference to the state of the world in general. it was very human. but for all its flaws, it was full of potential.
it was a network model of being in the world, rather than a top-down organizational model. it was emergent rather than planned, and distributed rather than owned by any one entity.
this was, of course, probably rather bewildering to the entities used to owning things.
social media did some pretty crazy things for those of us out there participating. it flattened hierarchies by enabling and encouraging person-to-person connection and actual engagement. it foregrounded individual voices and relationships. and it represented a new way of relating to what had always been untouchable sacred cows: institutions, corporations. it gave us – often more theoretically than in everyday encounters – an agency we had not previously tended to consider possible.
an emergent model, of course, doesn’t provide very good salaries. this is where we get back to Blissdom, Virginia.
since about 2008, there’s been a strong push in social media to monetize, to leverage the platforms and networks users build for a share of advertising and sponsorship dollars. for many, especially for women, this has been an incredible opportunity to work outside the traditional institutional structures of 9-5, as freelancers and entrepreneurs. and especially for women whose social media content relates to domesticity, there’s been an incredible response from traditional mainstream brands with a vested interest in the domestic market.
just as social media was making the personal branded, it made brands personal. they were shifting their broadcast model strategies, we heard, and connecting, and changing.
great. financial opportunity AND agency to forge new paths. i gave a nod of thanks to the car company that drove me around gratis, and to the razor company – was it razors? or orange juice? – for the free manicure.
then i noticed that there seemed to be a whole swath of conversation that had nothing to do with what i do, both from brands and other attendees.
i was okay with that, at first. not everybody wants to be a personal blogger, or – mercy – an academic one. i like money. i can’t fault anyone for wanting to make some.
but it appeared that for a lot of people at the conference, the PURPOSE of social media is to enable individuals to connect with brands. for the purpose of furthering the brands themselves. end story. a path into the machine.
the first – and maybe second – generation of bloggers and social media personalities who worked to forge partnerships with brands and as entrepreneurs tended to do so from a base in peer-to-peer relationships. connections. voices.
some have had incredible business savvy and success, but most have been inclined to promote and preserve some of the values of both independence – from traditional power structures – and interdependence – on each other – that are hallmarks of social media. and traditional power structures have had to treat them accordingly.
there’s a shift occurring, a sea change in discourse. i heard it in the lunch lineups, over cocktail trays, in the tense conversation after the film screening. a significant proportion of conference attendees spoke about their social media goals entirely in terms of connecting with brands. not even primarily as brands themselves – in a sort of peer-to-peer relationship – but as consumers of opportunity, looking to become part of the major institutional system of major media and corporations.
forget agency and voices and relationships. if you are using your network solely to sell the message of a corporate entity, what you are doing is NOT social media, no matter your platform. what you’re doing is at best a marketing job, and more likely something akin to Amway.
i even heard it when i sat on the stage with Tessa Sproule, who is lovely and savvy and Director of Interactive Media at the CBC, but who largely appears to see social media as a way of engaging consumers with her brand.
this is not a two-way street. this is consolidation of power to the old familiar models, in which one can be employer or employed, but not really a whole lot else. the dream of a distributed, collaborative society of creator-consumers?
time to wake up, i think, my friends.
social media is, in too many fields, becoming simply a nice interactive tool by which the traditional corps and powers-that-be gain more eyeballs. they’re not so nervous, anymore. because increasingly people join social media NOT to connect but as a path to a piece of the pie: they’re there not to be public but to gain enough platform to be sponsored or spokespersons or stars, for the traditional monopolized industries.
what do we do about it?
i don’t think we take the pitchforks out. this isn’t about blaming or Othering the new generation. they want jobs. i’ve had jobs. that’s a glass house few of us can stand in.
but we need to ask ourselves what our role IS – and can be – in a social media environment becoming crowded with marketers, not creator-consumers.
we need to understand the potentiality of social media and what it offers us. for me, at least, that’s this space, and the theoryblog – rooms of my own. community. network resources via Twitter and G+ and even Facebook that interact and offer and share with me daily, on topics and perspectives that don’t have a market value.
that a cultural shift like social media has major forces aligned in their own interests against it probably shouldn’t be a surprise. maybe i’ve just been down too deep in the echo chamber to hear it coming. but i do think it’s important to start this conversation, among all of us who want to do more with our online spaces and voices and networks – all of which are very much an integrated part of our so-called REAL lives – than be part of a better bottom line for major brands.
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what do you see as the future of social media? of blogging conferences? have we sold the farm?
give me hope, Virginia. connect. hold me.
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October 18th, 2011 at 10:46 pm
There is too much here to respond to it all. So many ideas and thoughts that I need to think about.
I totally agree that social media is, at least for me, about connections. I feel like social media has introducted me to people, like a good friend would give you the number of her good friend when you move to a new town, and allowed me the opportunity to turn those introductions into friendships. Those friendships are the real value of social media to me.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:56 pm
First of all- I loved meeting you at Blissdom Canada :)
Second- I am a personal blogger and have been for the past 5 years. I do some reviews for fun of things I’d like to get my kids but can’t afford to actually purchase but for the most part I just talk about my life.
And I agree- I really noticed a shift in the general chatter. Everyone seemed intent on making money, finding brands to sponsor them etc.. And I totally get that. I do. I even tried to go down that path for awhile but I realized it killed my joy. I didn’t want to blog anymore when it was only about STUFF.
My blog is my sanity. It contains my life and the connections I have made through it are the real payoff for me.
I think there are a lot of us out there… even a lot of us at the conference… there were just MORE of the other group. The equally worthwhile and fabulous group of women who are intent upon making money from their blog. That is why I so appreciated the alternative “track”- the social good panel for example was beautiful and not about money at all. It filled my soul :). The panel on branding was hysterical and a total highlight for me lol. Crying and laughing together- what could be better than that?
Anyway, I could babble on forever. I loved Blissdom. I love love love the women I connected with there. And I loved your Halloween costume.
The end. :)
October 18th, 2011 at 10:57 pm
I stand with you, Bon. I will be part of no company’s bottom line, and I was concerned with the seemingly dominant idea that their blogs were made for the brands of others, that the personal brands they were so eager to create were only being created in subservience to corporations who had not even courted them yet. There need be no masters for people to be already assuming the position.
I all too often feel I am at a salesmen convention when at conferences these days.
Thank you for opening up the conversation.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:59 pm
I haven’t given up hope. I think there is room on the internet for all kinds of bloggers. I remain positive. I’ve bought a ticket to BlogHer 2012 even though my “About Me” page states:
“I do not want to review your products. Don’t take it personally. It’s not you, it’s me.
If you are a mama and you make something remotely awesome, I do want to promote you.
I do not want to do a giveaway.
I talk about my kids, my husband, my parents, my music. I will pull out a soap box and probably apologize for it in the next breath. I also talk about boots and boobs, cancer and Zoloft.
Engage me. That is what I want most. To make connections. Let’s talk.”
And about a month after I put that up, I stopped getting spammed from marketing/brand types.
So there’s that. If you come to NY next summer, maybe we can have a brandless luncheon where we buy our own food, talk about writing non-fiction, paying our own way, and the friends we have made over the past six years online.
I adore you, and I adore this post.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:01 pm
I’m afraid your vision of social media is already old-fashioned, and I think it goes beyond our interest in corporate brands. Several years ago, Maggie Mason wrote a post — when Twitter was still a baby — and I still remember it — about the two types of users of Twitter — broadcasters and engagers. There was a subtle hint, even at the time, that the engagers were lower on the hierarchical totem pole, as if they were losers who didn’t have a message — either politically or professionally — to tell the world.
2010 — the broadcasters have won. When people discuss Twitter, they are talking about the broadcasting. Celebrities broadcast. Bloggers log on simply to promote their blogs, or their friends blogs, even auto-blogging it several times a day. Writers are forced by their publishers to make believe they are sociable on social media for a few months before their book comes out, so they can build a platform. Even the politically active have taken to social media as a tool. Do you think the guy who tweets 500 Occupy Wall Street tweets a day is interested in any discussion with others? Of course not. Social media is a simple propaganda tool.
Social media has become a tool. The magic of being able to have a conversation with a stranger in another country is lost, other than the power of the influence. It is almost embarrassing to say that you use social media to learn or connect — it sounds like a code word for being unemployed. Once we all see ourselves as broadcasters, it is an easy to align ourselves with companies. Since we are already selling ourselves, why not make some money doing it?
It doesn’t surprise me that there is so much talk about influence, Klout, followers, etc. on Twitter. Because to a large group of people, that is what it is really about.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:02 pm
This might be the best, most articulate, most thought-provoking assessment of the future of social media I’ve seen in a long time. Thank you.
I will always gravitate to voices on this wonderful platform that are used for more than simply selling other people’s stuff. I know there’s more like me out there. (Like you!) That’s how I know those voices will always be around. Even if they get harder to find through all the noise.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:07 pm
In response to Neil:
I don’t think your position is old-fashioned or less popular, but I do think that it is less heard, because our voices aren’t monetized and therefore backed/elevated by sponsors as often.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:08 pm
Have we sold the farm? We sure want to. I noticed the very same phenomenon that you did. It’s why the branding sessions were packed while the creative sessions were modestly but respectably attended. I saw it when someone pulled up my Twitter profile in front of me and stared in disbelief at my banana-hat avatar. “This isn’t him, is it?” she asked her friend (right in front of me), angling her phone for an angle at which my lack of professionalism seemed more plausible. She seemed perplexed that I would be at Blissdom Canada without a very specific brand and business agenda.
Right now, I’m not sure what we do. This has been coming for a long time, this new environment in which connectors and writers go from pioneers to pets. For most of the attendees, social media isn’t new in the way it was new to us. It’s taken a while for institutions to adjust to the change, but now that they’ve figured out how to social media producers back into products, we’re only going to see more of it.
I think there will always be a place for the non-branded blogger, but it will no longer be the norm. It’s a specific form that may have outlived its primacy, and now it will exist on the fringes, feeding its energy into the mainstream.
I also think that monetizing a blog is a fool’s game, unless you can live comfortably in a cardboard box.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:16 pm
I love this post although I may need to read it again in the morning.
Lately I’ve heard a lot about personal blogging and how it’s a dying bread. How twitter ruined it. How people only want to monetize now.
Shrug. It may be partially true. Yet, I’m a personal blogger. I have been since 2005 and I will continue until I no longer love it. I use to twitter to connect with friends, readers and other bloggers. I have no ads. I make no money. But dammit I love it. I love it now as much as I did when I started.
I’m not alone. I don’t believe personal blogging is dead.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:18 pm
Great post! I blog because I enjoy to write and share, I find it therapeutic. I don’t feel right doing reviews for free product or money, not saying there is anything wrong with the people that do, it just isn’t for me. Blissdom left me feeling very much the same as you. But what it did show me is that I can write again and I can write about whatever I want and not worry about what people might think.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:22 pm
I live a double life.
I blog and tweet personally. I chat with people online via Twitter especially after 8 pm PST ;-) I love ideas and stories, and I lament how much of my fb/Twitter feed is links, self promotion and promotion of others. In my other part-time life, I work as a social media PR person. Something I’m very ambivalent about. What I’m really interested in is where is this going? How is it affecting young people, mothers, everyone? How are our online identities different from our “real life” personas? I feel like the personal blog and even tweet is getting quashed under all the marketing. When I find a smart, funny, sweet or sad personal blog, I want to scream Hurrah! from the rafters.
I just came in from a bracing dusk runaround outside with 4 children (one of them mine) who screaming at the top of their lungs laughing and yelling hello to all the dogs and passersbys. I’m so happy that little kids still enjoy running around more than any tech toy.
Love Nora! But I bet she was thrilled to sit on a panel with you as well.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:25 pm
Really good post. I’ve watched this happen over the last couple of years. I remember my first blog comment and how blown away I was by the fact that someone would comment on my little unknown blog!
I have no ads on my blog, nor will I ever. I’ve been online since online started, and it has always and forever will be about the connection. I have made some of the most amazing friends, many of whom I’ve never met, some I have.
I don’t see online life as a way of connecting ever going away. I probably will never attend a blog conference, unless it’s a funky, not-about-the-brands type, because I just will never blog about “stuff” or care about “connecting to brands”. I connect to people. I don’t think those of us who believe in that vision of social media are going anywhere. We just aren’t as LOUD or popular as the brand chasers. I’m ok with that.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:27 pm
Wow, Bon. SO well written, and that comes as no surprise to me as I could listen to you talk all day. (And read your words.)
A few years ago, when blogging was just about blogging, I turned down every PR request that came my way. I was NEVER going to make money from blogging. It wasn’t for me.
But then… I was offered money to write a sponsored post, and I said yes. And it’s kind of nice to sometimes make money (at least enough to cover my blogging conferences) working with brands I like. I don’t LOVE doing that type of writing, and that’s why I will post most sponsored/paid posts on a review blog. It’s not that what I’m writing is not authentic, because I will never lie, but it’s just… not something I’d have otherwise written about if I wasn’t getting paid for it. But on my real blog, that’s all from the heart, and that’s always going to be that way.
I don’t want to move too far away from what blogging is all about. To me, like you said, it’s about the connections. THAT is what I take with me from these conferences, like I blogged about as well – it’s what happens between sessions, late at night, outside in the night, talking, discussions, laughter, hugs, tears, friendship. I LOVE the connections. It’s never about the free stuff (although, sure I like bringing home some goodies for my children) it’s about the people, my fellow bloggers.
I don’t even know what to say to the people in expo halls. I just wander… and wander away.
One more thing – I do have ads up on my blog. I don’t think it’s such a terrible thing, at least not now, and at least not for me. I like to think I haven’t lost sight of why I’m doing this. I love to write. I need to write. I love to read, I love to feel connected to my fellow bloggers, and I need read stories that I can relate to. I love the connections. That’s it.
Anyway, great post, amazing comments, much to think about… thank you for writing this.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:29 pm
I’ve noticed a number of bloggers having this conversation since Blissdom. I even touched on my own decision about working with brands. I have and probably will, to a limited extent, work with them from time to time. However, I don’t ever see myself monetizing my personal blog in any way. I don’t seek out opportunities to work with brands actively on any of my blogs.
For those who really want to turn blogging into a business I’m all for it. I just hope they understand when I don’t subscribe to their blog. I’m interested in good writing with intelligent stories and thoughts that challenge the way I think. I want those connections too. I value them.
I’m hoping this whole shift we’re seeing is temporary. That probably just means I’m overly optimistic with a side of delusional.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:33 pm
Think of it this way: the social media marketing world is a dense icy core, and the rest of us surround it, and warm it a little with our activity. We feel the chill, they turn their faces towards us for the warmth. Every so often someone falls through the ice.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:41 pm
I came to social media around 2009 or so. I’m a latecomer by any standard, and yet here I’ve found you, and Schmutzie, and Neil, and the Palinode, and so many others that I shyly count as friends now. So I know it remains a possibility, using social media solely for the human contact and the zinging of ideas back and forth. I’m comfortable slipping between the monoliths unnoticed.
However, on a larger scale this big machinery is really alarming. An old friend of mine just wrote a book about the monoculture that has a lot to say about the dissolving boundaries between personal and brand. She also blogs at fsmichaels.squarespace.com.
It’s been an important and useful book for me, and it might be useful for you too. Let me know if you’d like me to send you a copy, Bon. I have an extra.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:43 pm
It’s another swell. I don’t think we’ll get back what we had, the frontier open to interpretation, absent the traditional metrics and noise. I think the new space, or emerging forces that are shifting what we’ve known, will simply make us work harder. We’ll have to sort, filter and tolerate. I think we’ll also have to speak up, ut I think we can claim pockets.
I would sure hate to lose voices like yours and all those other engagers.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:43 pm
I think there are more than two camps.
I’m not blogging just to make friends – although I do love that part – but my goal also isn’t to make myself sponsorable. I’m blogging because I feel like I have something to share. I’d like to find ways to turn that into an income so I can spend my time sharing more. Social media helps me do all that.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:44 pm
I totally agree. Maybe because I’ve been outside of it all looking in for a few years now, I’ve seen it as it’s happening. Blogging now, from this outsider’s perspective, too often seems to be explicitly about courting corporate sponsors as a primary path both to legitimacy and to revenue. It’s like you can prove to yourself and others that you really are significant if such-and-such boutique is buying you clothes for work and Pampers is diapering your baby. The whole conversation about advertising was just getting started at about the time I stopped personal/mommy blogging. Since then I’ve seen a whole lot of mediocre blogs that seem to exist solely to maximize eyeballs and get sponsors for giveaways and advertising. At the very least, it looks like a lot less fun.
But: this is what corporations *do.* They see something new and cool that they’re not part of and which might theoretically undercut their authority, and they buy it. They’ve done it with subcultures since time immemorial, or at least since corporations were allowed to continue instead of disbanding when their original projects were complete. You’d be hard pressed to find a single subculture anywhere that has not had to contend with sponsorships, corporate interest, commercialization, and all the problems and blessings that brings. For the love of god, tylenol sponsors gaming teams to video game tournaments. Red Bull sponsors extreme athletes to do extreme stunts where no one would see them except that Red Bull pays for journalists to go and watch. Riot Grrl no sooner appeared on the scene than it was bought, repackaged and sold as Girl Power. You could find a separate example for every day of the year for several years running.
So yes, it’s been sold. Or it’s sold out. Or however you want to put it. But in a world where corporations wield the power and influence that they do, it was going to happen. It happened to print media, it happened to radio, it happened to television, it happened online.
I happen to loathe advertising, so my personal choice is to read no personal blogs with ads on them. It ruins the flavour for me and I can’t enjoy them. It’s eliminated as shocking number of blogs for me, but this does have the benefit of freeing up more of my time for other things. Sleep not being one of them, but, oh well.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:48 pm
I don’t have anything to add to this conversation except that I loved this. You rock, Bon.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:51 pm
I had a prof in university who was fond of saying “There is no such thing as a free lunch,” referring of course to the old publican habit of offering a free meal to entice patrons to come in, eat, and have a pint or two or three, the latter of which, incidentally, is how they REALLY made their money. I think this relates to your observations of the conference. Thank you for the reminder to always question what the product is, and what or who exactly is being consumed in the transaction. You posed some good questions. (btw: I wasn’t at the conference but I’ve been reading/listening to the feedback. Thank you for sharing your insight and allowing someone like me to learn from it despite my absence.)
October 18th, 2011 at 11:56 pm
Is wondering if the creator-consumers can just keep on creating-consuming even under a brand-adrenalized system naive? Is it like assuming that abstinence really will win the day in your child’s case, even though the world is sexualized?
Because one way to see this thing is just as a big increase in noise and voices, without any necessary stifling of the conversation or interaction you’d like to have. Those who want to live above-the-brand can do so. Can’t they? Maybe they can’t. Maybe now that brands are here, they colour every interaction; they make it hard to build personal communities instead of professional ones; they make it hard to find people worth thinking about because they encourage so many who aren’t.
But I worry about making Rousseau’s mistake and identifying an early state as a NATURAL state, and so a moral one.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:56 pm
I love this post Bon. It is very much you, with sprinklings of Henry Mintzberg and David Korten peeking through.
I am in social media for the connections. I am there to learn from others, to connect with people, and to influence people. Not to influence them to buy a brand, but to influence the m to think.
That said, what you said about jobs (we’ve all had them), does resonate. For me, monetizing my blog allows me to spend more time on social media working on building those connections, and less time in the solitary pursuit of consulting contracts. However, I’m a strong believer in the separation of church and state (my ads are always separate from my editorial), but also the need to ensure the church and state are not in conflict (I won’t accept ads that go against the message I’m trying to send).
Ultimately, I’m in social media to be me and to do the things that are important to me on a personal and community level. I won’t change who I am for a brand.
October 19th, 2011 at 12:08 am
Hi Bon
Great post!
i am in a bit of a unique position since my brand brought me to blogging and social media. My writing is a part of my business, but it is also my heart and soul – sharing my story of motherhood, womanhood, personhood. If i never sold another bra, from connections made online, i would keep writing.
It is an interesting place to sit, at a conference like Blissdom, when you are both a blogger and a brand.
I love the conversation and am thankful to be a part of it.
October 19th, 2011 at 12:15 am
I’ve been to neither a blogging conference nor even a bloggers’ meet up. Still when I noticed on line the invention and increasing popularity of the blogging conference, I noticed the changes. Not that I have never wanted to go – I just noticed. We read less. We comment less. We connect less.
The internet got too big. It became harder to camp out on my own corner and still talk with anybody else.
I don’t want to say that I think it is too late. I do think we are at risk of having more and more homogeneous voices in social media – ones who can figure out a way to connect to brands. I’d be interested in the demographics of that group.
October 19th, 2011 at 12:19 am
Your comments really elaborate on indefinable feelings Ive been having lately. I started blogging as a platform on which to write. I literally had no idea about ads, monetization, sponsorships, etc. I just wanted to share my words, develop my craft, maybe get a job ( not in SM). Funnily enough, last year at Blissdom I was inspired to start my personal story blog, as opposed to my more business language blog I had already. inhave feltma temperature change this year as there’s more pressure for those who promote tom get paid for their work, as well as for companies to jump on this new media bandwagon. Now, im confused. I don’t know where I stand or what I want. If I review a book, is the book payment enough? In years past people were paid to review books. Now blogging has eradicated that way of earning a living.
Traditionally, the media has been supported by advertisers. Look at the
growth of soap operas for example, originally funded by soap companies.
However, this world, our genre feels like it was the last that’s selling out. Our world is so over commercialized and now the last stand are bloggers. I’m rambling, confused. I don’t want this, but do I want to be left behind? One last thought- someone actually said to me: how can you do/say/use that picture? How will you attract a brand? Is that all I care about, notwithstanding my individuality?
October 19th, 2011 at 12:34 am
thank you ALL, for the input. clearly a chord struck. or at least a few nerves.
i don’t think there’s purity to be found anywhere here, just to be clear. i think – see the series of brand posts i wrote in May & June of 2010 (one’s linked above) – social media MAKES us brands of a sort, even when no monetization is involved. our reputations become branded. if we’re participating, we’re in the game.
Backpacking Dad, i don’t that the state of social media sans money WAS a particularly natural state, given the larger culture it existed in. i don’t know if it was a more moral state, though my politics would lean that way. but that’s not what i’m saying. i’m saying get out and be a brand and shill if you want, but not for the old guard.
here’s the thing. we take a lot for granted, here online, in social media. the platforms we use to communicate the most are no longer blogs but Twitter, G+, FB…proprietary platforms. advertising sponsors those, b/c that model works right now. but the relational, peer-to-peer rhizome (that’s US) only has power if it recognizes its own power. if we sell it all back for cheap, then the platforms themselves will get even more bought up than they already are.
the relative freedom here is a product of the politics and historicity of the open-source movement (partially killed by Apple, much as i do love my Mac). i don’t believe in technological determinism…i don’t think the tools or information inherently “want to be free.” i think what happens will be determined by how much we want – and how many of us want – to be paid peanuts to play in the big games of the old guard.
we’ll see.
October 19th, 2011 at 12:45 am
one more thing – my informal research suggests that women’s social media spheres, and especially mommyblogging, are kind of canaries in the coal mine regarding major corps and brands, in this sense. Dave’s community of edubloggers and edupunks and edtech social media folk are not courted in the same way, nor my own growing community of academic social media-folk. nor are either necessarily at risk of being subsumed, voice-wise, to the same extent.
i think personal blogging’s heyday has been over for years. i like to think, though, that it changed some of the discourse around motherhood and identity and gender and all kinds of things, and that it made voice a real public possibility for people. i think that’s what i’m loathe to see just disappear or be sold back to major corporate interests, who are only free to value it if it matches enough market surveys.
October 19th, 2011 at 12:51 am
Well my Rogue tribe leader I bow to your use of words to explain yourself so clearly. I have just written on this topic, from my vantage point. I’ve been in SM for years but only recently in the past year as a blogger.
Blissdom specifically afforded the people who have sites that are specifically for review/giveaways a venue to speak to brands actively interested in a connection with them. Standing around this interaction left somewhat of a bad taste in my mouth.
Listen, I have no issues with people estabilishing finanical realationships but where the hell is the depth?
When speaking to a woman about faith in an aside she launched into her stats, targets and growth in the past year. DUHH did you forget who I am in the nanosecond that you looked away?
It’s simply the mindset of these folks which worries me, not the brands…their perspective is simple for me to grasp (coming from the corporate sector in my past life)
How can someone blog about their joy of wearing shoes on the beach when they prefer walking barefoot and would be doing that instead when the camera is off?
Me, well I’m not easily marketable but frankly I’ll do a few reviews/take compensation if I write an article which is syndicated. Ultimately though I still read at least an hour’s worth of blogs a day, maintain a relationship with some very intriguing people and don’t intend to change that.
I’m tipping my proverbial hat to you, this article alone and the comments prove to me why I was drawn to you, schmutzie (whose writing I have adored for a while) and the man who introduced himself as the guy on Twitter with bananas on his head…
October 19th, 2011 at 1:05 am
There’s so much here to mull and chew over, so much so that I wonder if I’m doing a disservice to try and respond now. But typing before thinking never stopped me before, so I’ll dive in.
I think you speak to a lot of the feelings I’ve been having as a blogger (I will throw out the disclaimer that I do social media for about 1/10th of my job. You’re not wrong about the way social media is viewed by companies, but some of us work to make it as good as we can). I’m not remotely an old-school blogger–I’ve been at it for about 3 years, with years of reading and consuming before that–but I do miss the days when the posts selling something were the exception, not the rule. And Twitter…well, wading through Twitter is harder every day.
However, I think there are LOTS of us still out there who do this for the connections. My personal twitter stream is almost entirely conversations. My favorite parts of BlogHer were, far and away, the people and the laughter and the talking (oh, and the Listen To Your Mother open mic. For many of the same reasons). I email with people across the country who I only came to know through our blogs, talking about our lives. I have helped friends (virtual, yes, but friends nonetheless) through deaths, births, health scares and even, in one random situation, massive tornadoes–all via social media.
I just think those of us who want to connect with people, not companies, have to work harder to find each other. It won’t happen organically the way it did before, but if we want that to happen, we have to WORK to cultivate that community. That’s what I don’t see anymore. Everyone holes up in their little corners, and the support for new and not new voices gets buried. If you’re not one of the “big guys,” you better be marketing all the time or no one will ever show up–even if all you want to do is connect. It’s hard to connect with empty air, so there’s a lot of shouting just to get someone, anyone to come find you and say hi.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:30 am
This is an excellent post, Bon. For one it affirms the changes that I’ve witnessed over the past five years of blogging. But it also makes me appreciate that things of substance did happen at Blissdom. This was not evident from the tweets that came through my Twitter feed this weekend. I saw lots of people tweeting company names or product line hashtags for the chance at graft.
I’ve gotten to the point — in slow bitter increments — where I no longer trust a blogger’s review of a product unless they explicitly state they’re not being paid. I also don’t frequent or foster relationships with people whose blogs are filled with sponsored posts. I don’t begrudge them the right to make money, but I think their goals are diametrically opposed to mine: creating a community.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:56 am
I’m still in my little backwater, not even on Twitter, just blogging sporadically and not even attracting any notice from any brands. So I don’t know that I really have much to contribute to the conversation. But I also know that blogging has brought me real friends, and that has spread to Facebook, and my life has been enriched. ’nuff said. Cuz I wasn’t expecting that, going into this.
October 19th, 2011 at 4:30 am
For now I am content to sit up late in the hallway and listen to the snatches of conversation. I came late for all the right/wrong reasons to personal blogging in a branded space. Your good voice here, your questions, they ricochet off the hallway walls, echo up and down the stairwell. I like watching the result, the way others stick their heads over the rails and answer back. Conversations like these are why I am here, and why I stay. The brands can’t have that.
After all, “How do you catch a wave upon the sand?”
October 19th, 2011 at 8:28 am
So much to address here.
As someone who has been doing this since the paleolithic era – long before anyone ever even thought of making money off a blog – I have to say that the new world of social media and blogging isn’t one I particularly enjoy. Over the past couple of years a huge portion of people coming into blogging are, essentially, prospectors – coming to the medium for the sole purpose of mining it financially. These are people who never would’ve blogged had there not been money in it. I guess it’s inevitable – capitalism being what it is and all that – but it’s that mercenary attitude toward blogging from the outset that I think has warped things. People coming to it – to all social media – from day one with an attitude of ‘I’m going to build my brand and make a living off of this’ is sucking the honesty, integrity, and love out of all of it.
I’ve already said a lot about this subject yonder: http://goo.gl/mhQVD & http://goo.gl/54In3 – for what it’s worth, so I won’t repeat myself. I think there are ways to do this as work – to make a living off of something you love – without sacrificing integrity, selling out to brands, or killing real, honest dialogue in favor of marketing ones self. I do. But I think the climate of social media is increasingly leaning away from that idyllic it’s-about-making-connections-and-forging-real-relationships world I entered into a decade ago, and increasingly about marketing, PR, and The Proverbial Benjamins, for sure. And I don’t think that’s going to change, frankly. If anything, I’m pretty sure that’s going to get even more intense.
October 19th, 2011 at 9:23 am
What @Palinode said, that’s exactly how I feel.
I made a decision at Blissdom to go forward as PR unfriendly, to avoid monetization. I had a plan to write pitches, get ads, team up with brands and I hated it. I’m relieved to go forward with my own message only.
And I thank you for that.
October 19th, 2011 at 9:27 am
…more intense. yes.
here’s the thing. our practices create who we are out here, both individually and collectively. the more crowded it gets, especially with the advantage major media platforms have in terms of amplification & scale, the louder small voices have to shout just to be heard. those practices of shouting are perhaps the thing that’s most dangerous. we start to believe we don’t matter unless we are scooped up and validated by a major media or brand machine.
validation and being scooped up are GREAT. but not as sole goals. if we are doing stuff, like this, having conversations: it matters. it shapes how we understand what we do.
i think. i hope.
October 19th, 2011 at 9:50 am
Bon, totally agree. It’s a hard thing for me to speak to, since I’m in the unique position of having started early enough that I didn’t have to scream to be heard/seen – the community was so small back then, there was space for everyone. The crowding that’s happened since makes people do things for validation/attention that we couldn’t have conceived of back then, but again, I don’t think any of this is unique to blogging, but rather Capitalism. It is the way of the world as the world exists right now.
How do we combat that? By focusing on good writing (note, I said WRITING, not CONTENT). By focusing on relationships, on the value of those, and not on the value of people as tools or mechanisms by which to elevate one’s status. We remain true to ourselves and write our truths, regardless of what The Market Values or what other people think. We don’t sell our souls for some samples of laundry detergent and a retweet. And so on.
Yay? Nay?
October 19th, 2011 at 10:11 am
I come into this from what I think is a unique perspective. I write for two blogs. One, I occasionally have a sponsor or brand that I write about (which I don’t have to go out and get myself). I’m given the opportunity to say yes or no so if I believe in the brand, I’ll write. If not, I won’t. My other blog is my labour of love and I made a decision to not monetize it. I did one sponsored post and it didn’t sit well with me and the decision was made (easily).
My writing comes first, whether I’m working with a brand or writing about my family, life or speed skating. And it’s the relationships I’ve built that are important to me. If I ever had to give up one or the other, I’d give up the payment and keep my passion.
I don’t want this to demean or put down people who do wish to monetize because I totally get it. People want to make a living and this is turning into a new way to do it. Unfortunately, I think (this is my opinion, not truth – shout out to Catherine Connors), so many people are coming on board seeing what everyone else has and they’re all “They’re so lucky. Why are they getting such and such and I’m not? I want a piece of it to”. Only what they aren’t seeing is luck, but what is possibly years of hard work getting to where they are now.
Sadly, this is a whole other conversation.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:14 am
Blogging for the simple pleasure of writing, sharing and connecting… ah, how sweet it is.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:27 am
Hi Bon,
I love your post and loved being in your tribe of Don’t niche me in. This was my first social media conference. I have been blogging for a little over a year so still very new. When I started it was to promote the business I do but something funny happened along the way.
As I connected with people and wrote my heart out in my little blog it became less about what I do and more about what I can change. I saw other bloggers doing reviews and I didn’t want to do that because really I had no clue what I was doing. I wanted to write. It became time for me. Now a year later I know what I want to do, I’ve discovered where I want to go with my blog, the direction I need to be moving in.
Is there room for sponsored posts in that new direction? Is there room to work with a brand that may be able to make a change along with me? I think so. Is there room to write sponsored posts but still stay true to who I am? I think there is but those posts won’t be what define me.
What defines me are the relationships I make and keep.
I went to Blissdom to meet the amazing people I connected with and formed true friendships with over the last year. After meeting them, talking, discussing, giggling into the wee hours of the morning, I know these are connections that will be there for a long time.
I sat in on the panels, to learn and I did learn a lot. I don’t plan on making money from my blog if I did would that be so bad if what I choose is true to me?
I think there are so many different facets to social media and like a diamond in many ways all the sides of it reflect the beauty of the stone. We all see things in a different way, different writers will write content that resonates with each of us differently.
I have 4 kids and to be honest it would be nice to make a little money, for me it would have to be a brand that fits me, not the other way around.
Like the Breakfast Club there will always be a few of us who are very different from the rest, but sometimes something special can happen where we can all connect no matter how we blog, whether we make money or not, whether we work with brands or not, whether we get a book deal or not, we can still all connect and relate at the end of the day.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:41 am
had a kind of awful thought…but i think it’s part of this whole messy conversation that needs to be discussed.
blogging used to be highly reciprocal. then, in truth, a lot of us stopped reading and commenting to nearly the extent we had. twitter took up time – still peer-to-peer connection, but not as in-depth – and we got saturated. and tired.
new people still wanted to come in. and sure, they saw money, and wanted some. again, no criticism to them. what i’m wondering is, did WE (the old school, the ones who had platforms and networks of whatever size at least somewhat established by the time blogging peaked) close the door on new relationships? have we basically created this two-tier system where major media/brands step in & groom spokespeople, not peers? because we haven’t made room for peers?
i know it’s not that simple. i know i’ve had new people become part of my circle over the last year, just by commenting and talking on twitter. but in truth, i know they had to work harder to get my attention than people did three or four years ago.
and while my friend Sue pointed out that conferences play a big part in the hierarchy-creation, i will say they also help a bit, at least in terms of meeting new people. most of the new to social media people i’ve connected with (at least within non-academic, momblog circles) over the past year have been people i’ve met at conferences. so it’s not clean, on any side.
it’s fascinating. and the response to this reassures me that people care what happens. i just hope we can think about it hard so we understand what choices we’re making.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:42 am
One thing I’ve learned in the days post-Blissdom is that there are more bloggers/writers like me than I thought. Blogging because they *want* to, not to try and make a few bucks and get free stuff. Like Sweetney, I’ve been doing this a long time so some of the stuff people are willing to do with/for their blogs seems so weird to me.
For awhile, it felt like everyone I read or talked to was trying to figure out how to profit off their blog. Since I consider this a hobby (albeit, a hobby that I’d love to have lead to other opportunities), I don’t mind spending my own money to invest in it. (Since I’m spending my own money, I’m not doing every conference, or investing money/time in every little thing coming down the pike. I pick and choose.)
To be clear, if that’s what your blogging purpose is – to make money and get free stuff, go crazy. It’s a big internet and there’s room for all of us.
I do worry that the paid/sponsored voices are drowning out the indie voices sometimes. I want my voice to matter, to be heard, even if I’m not being paid to speak. That’s the beauty of the internet – it’s the great equalizer. We can all have a voice.
All this said, I wonder if I had actually become popular and was courted by the brands and was offered “pennies for my thoughts”, would I jump at that chance? Are my current feelings coming from sour grapes that I’m not considered good enough as I am right now to be paid?
I sure hope not.
Thanks again Bon for posting this. Thanks to everyone for such thoughtful comments. They’ve really got me thinking.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:43 am
Delurking to say this —-> “i think personal blogging’s heyday has been over for years. i like to think, though, that it changed some of the discourse around motherhood and identity and gender and all kinds of things, and that it made voice a real public possibility for people. i think that’s what i’m loathe to see just disappear or be sold back to major corporate interests, who are only free to value it if it matches enough market surveys.” <—- should be put on a t-shirt and is the very reason why I'm still blogging (c. 2003) after all these years.
Although, that would have to be a pretty big t-shirt.
Great post and lots of good food for thought, thank you!
October 19th, 2011 at 10:44 am
I don’t have anything to add, really, but that I hear you and nodded my way through this post (and many of the comments).
I heard your voice in my head while reading it, which ties into why I go to these conferences. To connect, to get face time, to hear voices.
xoxo
October 19th, 2011 at 10:51 am
Bon, I agree about the growing lack of reciprocity. I think that’s a huge problem in terms of creating a climate that isn’t about sharing and community and a sense of connectedness, but instead about consuming, voyeurism, and a sense of disconnectedness. I’m going to recommit myself to reading and commenting more. This, doubtless, is a fair start. COUGH. :)
October 19th, 2011 at 10:55 am
I could examine the machine from a sociological perspective, throw around pretty metaphors or just say it flat out: money is what this whole new world comes down to. It’s what creates the awkwardness when we talk about those who choose to monetize or not, creates the tension between the writers and those who want to write, causes a rift between those who feel a bought review is a false one. It’s money. And that’s ok, right? As you said, people need jobs. I’m ok with that, it’s just the integrity I need to maintain.
Yes, it’s also voice, and you’re right that the quieter voices must now yell (and therefore feel pressure to be lifted up by a brand to amplify their voice), but in the end there is room enough for all and we clearly need to nurture all sides. But in doing so, do we lose some of that organic feeling of community or trust? I’m not sure. I know that even though I’m a “brand” (in that I own a small company), I don’t at all feel connected to the brand side of the coin. But I also don’t connect with the blogging-for-brand-dollars side. So in limbo I sit, watching. It’s a good show.
It’s interesting to me that this general feeling was the common thread in conversations I had at Blissdom (and has been repeated continually since the end of the conference)… I wonder what this means for next year.
I’ve been in this “social media” world since the mid-90s and it’s been an amazing opportunity to experience this from the beginning.
I love this post, and the comments following. Brilliant!
October 19th, 2011 at 10:57 am
Hi Bon! *waves*
In answer to your comment above….yes, there’s probably a bit of that. I know when I first started blogging, many moons ago even before YMC, I felt a little bit like I had reached out to other more well-known bloggers and had been given the brush-off. Not in a mean way. It’s almost like going up to a group of long-time friends at a cocktail and you’re the newbie. Of course, they’ll talk to you, ask you how you are and stuff, but they already have shared stories and memories that connects them on a deeper level.
BUT the other side of that coin is this. I eventually found my own little community of friends and people I admire and spend time with – online and off. For me, I try to welcome in anyone new – I spend a LOT of time writing emails and DM’s to people I don’t know because I understand what it’s like to be new. But also, where does it end. As much as I’d like to be everything to everyone, I can’t. So I imagine that I’ve left people feeling left out as well.
I actually disagree that conferences create hierarchy. I feel they are an opportunity for the newbies to meet and learn from those who have been doing this for a long time and allow us to grow. Or at least that’s been my experience.
Dear gawd I’m babbling today. I should probably work but this is a great conversation.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:59 am
Beyond excellent post.
I have been sitting here for awhile, trying to decide what best says what I want to say, truthfully.
For me, since I can only speak for myself, in all honesty, the old school blogger network is a tough nut to crack.
They don’t let newbies in easily.
It’s a solid old network, made up of what may seem to them to look like camaraderie..but to those on the outside, who just want to interact with those whose writing they enjoy, it reads like, “yeah, I don’t know you…so…”
That’s what it’s like with some, not with all.
There are some old school bloggers that are kind beyond description: suzy soro, jessica bern, jettsuperior, uppoppedafox, miss britt, neilochka, marinka, pioneerwoman, cecillyk, lesbiandad, debontherocks, eden kennedy, alicebradley, herbadmother,redneckmommy.
2 people in particular, sat with me behind stage at the BlogHer 11 community keynote right before we went on, and were so amazingly encouraging.
Those are the ones that come to my mind from my first and only trip to BlogHer this past August.
And others at the conference, and on twitter, make it pretty clear: you weren’t there in the beginning, so who are you now?
Those names don’t need to be put up anywhere.
So, could old bloggers reach out to new?
Yes, some do in a very wonderful way.
Can all do that? Individual personalities in the blogging world are as varied as in the real world.
The blogging world is no different than the day to day we live outside the computer.
But, your intent here, is beautiful.
October 19th, 2011 at 11:09 am
My aim, my purpose for my space has always been to connect and to share. I have never had an interest in working with brands and fortunately for me, most brands have never had an interest in working with me. That’s what happens when one calls herself a Redneck Mommy and writes about the things good girls aren’t supposed to speak out loud about: sex, death and disabilities. Brands aren’t attracted to the messiness of life.
However, it is the messiness of life that I find fascinating and keeps me sane and I’m lucky to have found a modicum of non-brand related success along my ramblings.
I don’t begrudge others who choose to go another route, but I freely admit to mourning each time I see another (as Palinode so charmingly put it) fall through the ice.
Great post Bon and thank you so much for firing up my brain about this. This is a conversation our little sphere needs to have. I’m glad you added to it with such intelligence and grace.
October 19th, 2011 at 11:17 am
On reciprocity:
Back when I first started blogging, a lot of the bloggers that I followed and interacted with were BlogHer Community Editors. BlogHer had a requirement that they link to a certain number of women bloggers in each post (I don’t remember the number – 3 or 5).
Although I was never a BlogHer CE, the way that they blogged set the tone for me in the way that I blogged. Whenever I was writing about a topic, I would go look and see who else had written about it and how I could incorporate their perspective into what I had to say (with a link back to them of course). I commented on their blogs, they commented on mine. It was nice.
However, as my blog got bigger, I ended up having a lot more readers who don’t blog or who don’t blog about things I am interested in. Even among those who do blog about things I am interested in, there are simply too many for me to keep up with. I try to check in on some of them when I can, but I the reality is that what I read is largely defined by what pops up in my stream and sounds interesting when I am on twitter and have a moment to click.
October 19th, 2011 at 11:25 am
I wish I’d been there to have dinner with you and Karen and Nadine, rather than just quickly saying hi in an elevator.
Your post captures the conversations that we have behind the scenes, the discomfort with how things have changed, and our own complicated paths with monetizing or not, working with brands or not.
As I’m writing this comment, I just got another opportunity to write a sponsored post for a company that I can’t in good conscience promote. I could have used the money – I’m starting my mat leave and the budget is tight. But I can’t do it. This is the dance now. It wasn’t like this for my first 5 years of blogging, and I was the one that opened the door to these opportunities instead of keeping it shut, so I only have myself to blame. But it’s an awkward dance sometimes, and when the personal blogging doesn’t fit, it’s a big problem.
I started because I wanted a place to write about the personal. As long as I can maintain that, I am OK. But the conversation and debate, both internally and externally, continues… thanks for provoking the conversation.
October 19th, 2011 at 11:55 am
Interesting comment Bon about new bloggers having to work harder to be noticed. I have followed many, many people for a long time, even tweeted to them and never received a response. Even while at Blissdom I tweeted to certain people who were there, and never replied. I mean what is the reason for that? Because to me it makes me feel not good enough or not cool enough to noticed. I know I am not the only one who feels like this.
Some of these people are prominent in the blogging communities and who do preach about connecting, yet they cannot reply to a tweet every now and then, or look up the new bloggers that are choosing to follow them.
I am lucky that the people I connected with in the beginning chose to do the same with me and we have our own little community that is growing, that is welcoming, yet there are certain groups and I will call them cliques that are not as welcoming to new people. It is a real shame because we all have a voice and we all want to be heard. It cannot be one sided but more often than not on twitter it is.
That has to change if we want twitter to change. This is my belief and my perspective as someone who has only been on twitter for over a year.
The people who have tweeted me back or even sent me a DM have my utmost respect. There is nothing worse than tweeting out to someone and being ignored.
I know how as everyone’s followers grow there is less and less time but maybe that in itself it the main problem. Maybe there has to be a way to make room for new bloggers.
So yes if there is not room for peers they will be picked up by the people they feel want them and if that happens to be brands, well then at least they may fit in somewhere.
October 19th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
Sometimes I quite enjoy being a dinosaur.
So many thoughts are coming from the weekend that I have trouble curating them all, but a few things prevail, some which I won’t bother repeating because you say it so well the first time.
The evolution of social media feels at once progressive and dirty. I am a purist in many things, and it stretches my own boundaries to understand and accept (and yes, in some instances, capitalize) on where social media is going. I de-monitized my blog in 2008, after a short stint with ads because it felt wrong. But I now accept jobs to write for corporations once in a while. It’s all about empowered, and not desperate, choice, which I have said on a few other blogs already. To thine own self be true.
There were a few instances of what I really considered to be amateur hour at Blissdom, both from the Blissed and the sponsors. But I guess there is still a learning curve. In the end, what mattered were, like you say, the people. I got to have dinner with you. I got to hug friends that live thousands of kilometres away. I got to meet new, awesome people. I got to share ideas with very inspiring women.
What other conferences spur this kind of wide-spread critical thought after the fact? Maybe ComicCon. Let’s keep talking.
October 19th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
What a wonderful post to open discussion. I do see this shift that you speak of in your post. It is disappointing to see corporations leveraging social media to purely market instead of engaging and growing with the needs of their own consumers. I think there is hope for the future of social media. Hope to see you at the Tweet up to hear your Blissdom anecdotes.
October 19th, 2011 at 1:02 pm
Just two things to say: First, that I never could figure out how to have a conversation on Twitter. I could only ever broadcast and read other people’s broadcasts. I am not the most astute social being on the planet, so that may be it; but then again — maybe I’m not the only one?
Second: The economy’s in the crapper. I wonder if that makes individuals and corporations more desperate, more money-grubbing.
October 19th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
i love ya bon, but conference posts (like in ye olden days) simply make me feel like the unpopular girl who has no idea what the happened on the fun night out she wasn’t invited to.
October 19th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
wow. i cannot remember the last time i read a post that had this much thoughtful commentary taking place. this is refreshing, to say the very least.
i have a few thoughts on this… the first of course being that you (as per usual) have such a gift for putting what many of us are consistently pondering in to beautiful and relatable words. thank you for that. if conversations like these weren’t taking place, i would’ve given up long before i even started.
for me, i read blogs for a few years before starting my own in 2007, so while i feel like i’ve been doing this FOREVER, i really haven’t. i did come into the thick of this social media world as the twittering et al came to the forefront, so part of me is all FUCK THE MONEY. FUCK THE MACHINE. but truly, the only experience i have to speak of in terms of before all of that came to fruition comes from reading the blogs of people i have admired for years.
the sweetneys and schmutzies if you will…
i feel like i can attest to noticing a break/crack in blogging, especially with my particular age range of bloggers. and i’ve corresponded with other bloggers close in age to myself (i’m 30) and have found similar findings. we’re young. when bloggers were putting their words and their truths out there on the world wide web, we were the ones reading but not yet writing (for the most part. i do realize some where the writers as well, like rebecca woolf for example, who i have talked to about this very subject). once us youngins felt like we were (maybe) experienced enough, confident enough, web savvy enough, (insert your “enough” here), then we joined the blog world. and like i said, for me, this was in 2007.
it wasn’t shortly after that time that twitter started and facebook went to more of a promotional tool than connecting with people you haven’t connected with in however long. (side note: how many people do you truly need to be “friends” with on facebook? because i simply do not understand the 2,047 friends. they’re not your friends. please explain.)
from there, it has snowballed. one form of social media has branched off into another, commenting on posts has become next to nonexistent, and so now here i am finding myself thinking WHAT THE HELL HAS HAPPENED?!?! WHERE ARE MY PEOPLE?!?!
i don’t know what the answer is. i *try* to continue to just do what i do and create a unique space on my blog, but then again, so is everyone else, right?
the one regret i do have with blogging, is not doing the whole conference thing yet… it’s kind of along the lines of me feeling like i should’ve been born a decade or so before i really was… i wish i had attended the very first few bloggers conferences, when it seems like real conversations were taking place before you had to bob and weave through 2400 people to find those 15-20 you really wanted to share life with.
October 19th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
I’ve noticed the change. It makes me sad.
October 19th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
Every time I think about going back to blogging (I was such an oddity back in 2003 era when noone outside of high school seemed to have a blog!) I run up against two barriers- it seems even harder now to maintain real life privacy if you have an honest online life and I have zero interest in “brands”. Yeah, I could use another income stream and I met some great people when I was blogging who became friends, but now I look at the conferences with “brands” and “swag” and feel like a cantankerous old fogey who doesn’t “get it” and really doesn’t want to.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
What an amazing conversation. So much to think about. My perspective is like seeing everything through a double mirror–you know, the images repeat and extend, into infinity–because I’ve both been involved in blogging since 2005 AND worked in big mainstream media at the same time. I was editor of Redbook magazine, and I went there specifically to PUT VOICES IN. The magazine was all about how to laundry and have sex with your husband, ugh. But I was so completely inspired by the truths and the stories and the admissions of anger, guilt, fear, loneliness. Those things have always, and will always, feel like the best kind of company for me. And not in a downer way. In a reality way. But working at a huge magazine, believe me, my job was to sell lipstick. But I truly believed we found a way to do both at Redbook: be genuine, be real, showcase voices, tell stories, as well as showcasing the latest and greatest in the drugstore aisles. I went to work every day with a pure heart and pure intentions, and I fought battles tooth and nail to protect my position, and I definitely made a few corporate enemies, but i did what I thought was right for the women who were inspiring me to make the magazine for them in the first place.
I know that blogging can do this, too, find this balance, but I truly think that right now we’re still in the madness phase of something new. When I was at BlogHer11 this year, I actually thought it was a really GOOD thing that those who see their blog as a business, as a way to experience products first and share reviews, as a way to make money and feel influential in the brand sphere, are attending different sessions than many of you who are voicing your love of writing, connection, community, voice. I know I’ll never make money off my blog (nor do I want to), but I do think there’s room for both. And I also think the pendulum will swing back. There simply isn’t room in the blogosphere now for more Sweetneys or Finslippys (and it goes without saying there will never be another Dooce); that door opened, a few people made the most of it by being stellar examples of voice and connection, and now there aren’t that many spoils left. What I DO think is awesome about what’s left–and this is CRITICAL, people–is that it’s encouraging women to think they can strike out on their own and MAKE THINGS. In this first iteration, we’ll see a lot of stuff that’s not too original, a little ham-handed, maybe cringe-worthy, but if we keep our minds open and keep having conversations, ESPECIALLY WITH THEM when they should flicker across our screens or lives, the best of them will learn how to make destinations/sites/brands/whatever you wanna call it that are valuable, fun, engaging, authentic and that will represent the inevitable What’s Next that always comes.
I think it’s okay that there be categories of bloggers, kinds of bloggers. As long as we don’t decide there’s an inherent hierarchy. As for me, I left mainstream media and now I work for BlogHer. I miss my perks, because, believe me, the perks were really fucking good. But now I know I’m with “my people.” I meet ten new people a day. I don’t read all their blogs, but I do read a lot of them, a little at a time. I do still cry at the computer at least three times a week when I am totally blown away by the stories people dare to tell. And I definitely talk about stupid shit on Twitter, as well as circulate links of all the great writing I’ve been finding and featuring on BlogHerMoms.
This conversation needs to be had, and needs to be had often. But let’s remember we’re experiencing an unprecedented convergence and we STILL have absolutely no idea what is coming next. Which means it’s still too soon to worry. Let’s keep raising our voices, and representing our community, and doing our best to reach out and tell the truth–especially all the truths people are sharing here!!–and I’m pretty sure we all have reason to be optimistic.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
P.S. ::gulp:: Sorry I went on so long! Passion makes us all fools.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
Another commenter said that there’s too much to respond too. I see what she means.
This may seem strange coming from me, since my own blog is a mix of various monetization and what I consider to be real writing. I struggle with finding the balance between selling myself out for money and being proud of what I’m putting out there. I don’t think I’ve found that balance yet. Even after years of trying.
The fact is, I make money from my blog. And when I make that money, I’m happy because money buys food. That also means I’m interested in talking with the sponsors and PR companies that attend (and financially support) conferences such as Blissdom.
However, money ISN’T the major reason that I blog. If it was, I’d go back to being a business analyst which made a lot more money and (almost) took up less time. People and personal connections are the main reason that I blog. Even when they make me cry, I feel that connection is worth it.
That personal connection is worth more to me than the money. It’s what I am really seeking when I am on Twitter, or blogging, or going to conferences. But the money is nice too.
I’m conflicted. Can you tell?
October 19th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
I think I’m standing with you on this. I’ve never attended BlogHer or Blissdom and wouldn’t even know about the latter except that you have talked about it. My initial entré into blogging was amongst knitters and I expanded into homeschoolers and those are both still important communities to me (through which I have met many IRL friends).
Although I use social media for business it is for my own brand. And I despise the broadcast only thing on Twitter.
The thing that often gets me is who we are giving the authority to say what the right story about social media is. Yes, the corporate folks might look down on the engagers and the big marketing advice type blogs might talk about blogging and social media as if the whole point is to monetize. But who says that they are the arbiters of what social media is for.
I come back to the fact that these are tools. We use these tools to do things. And different people use them for different things. A bit like the Oxford English Dictionary is not the arbiter of what is a real word (really, they don’t judge the validity of language) but rather a compendium of the words that are in common usage and the meanings that are commonly attributed to them.
Maybe these particular conferences have become dominated by the seekers after corporate brands to sponsor them. If so, run your own conference. Or make your own way to meet at events designed for other purposes. At the NY State Sheep & Wool Festival (which is what it sounds like it is) knit bloggers were name tags with their blog name on them so people can identify them. But we talk about knitting. And wool. And kids. And what to eat for dinner.
October 19th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
I’m just in awe of the greatness of this conversation. Truly. Bon, this is amazing.
I just wanted to say (not like I haven’t said enough, but then again we all know what a big mouth I have), there is always room for great voices, great writers. Always. I’d point to some of the writers on MamaPop as evidence of that. Two of our writers don’t even have personal blogs. A few of the others were completely obscure when we stumbled on them. But they are all great writers – hilarious, unique, talented – and THAT is what matters, to me. It’s not about branding or status or numbers of twitter followers. For many of us it isn’t. And never will be.
So send me a link to a post. @ me on twitter. Leave on comment on my blog. Say hello. We who love to read, as much as we love to write, are looking to find you.
Okay, really shutting up now :)
October 20th, 2011 at 12:10 am
Thank you Bonnie for sharing your observations and opinion in such a wonderfully written post. Thanks for spuring this discussion.
This was my second year attending Blissdom. I like to attend this particular conference as I feel that it is an investment in me to learn, think and connect. For me it is all about the sharing and creating of ideas, opinions and experiences with other like-minded women.
I love to read and hear discussions about current events, social issues, etc. such as a few of the open sessions at Blissdom and the hallway conversations post screening of MissRepresentation. I would have loved to have had more of this type of conversation with folks in attendance and online.
You ask what can our role be in the social media environment – I think the opportunity is to become the broadcaster of creator-consumer content – like what the wonderful Karen Green did as she birthed #momthevote. This spirs conversation, sharing and thinking.
October 20th, 2011 at 12:22 am
Wow, this is a really great discussion going on. I read your post earlier today, but didn’t have time to read all the comments. Now there are twice as many comments! I find it heartening how many have spoken up to say that they are still in blogging for the connections. That’s why I’m in it, too. And also to leave my mark on the world. (Hmm…mark…brand…intersting that they are sometimes used synonymously.)
I have steered clear of monetizing. I blog on a platform that doesn’t allow bloggers to have ads (though irritatingly they have started adding ads occasionally), and the only time I accepted a free thing for a review was when a blogger friend published a new book. I have occasionally been tempted by the idea of trying to make money off my blog, but I have been lucky enough to have other sources of income. This allows me to keep my blog for me alone.
You know, I was going to write a short comment to say that I don’t have time to write a long comment, so I should probably stop typing soon and get back to the work I intended to do when I sat down with my laptop.
Anyhow, this was a really thought-provoking post, and I expect that my thoughts will continue to be provoked by it.
October 20th, 2011 at 11:13 am
Technology sometimes disappoints, especially as it evolves, doesn’t it? There are hundreds TV channels and nothing to watch. Spam floods our Inboxes. And yes, there’s a blogging explosion and there’s less “quality” stuff to read and it’s hard to hear it above the noise. What will blogging look like 10 years from now? I wonder.
I have been blogging since 1999 and selling my own ads since 2008 so I think that affords me an interesting perspective. There certainly have been a shift. There is definitely more branded content out there. But that being said, I am really selective about the businesses I work with and would never promote something I couldn’t personally endorse. Why shouldn’t a blogger earn an income in this way? Why can’t she be a good writer and make money using her blog to do it? Why are there so many female bloggers who are dismissive of blogging as a way to pay the bills? I’m not sure if it’s jealousy… or what.
What fuels me is my love for the written word, not the money I earn from it. If I wasn’t passionate about blogging there’s no way I could have kept it up for this long.
At Blissdom I spoke on a panel about monetization, and although I’m very much a slave to great content (and by content I refer to great writing, graphic design, photography etc) I truly enjoy sharing the knowledge I’ve learned along the way and, hopefully, empowering other women to take the same route if they choose. The purpose of social media is whatever the user wants it to be. And that’s okay in my books.
October 20th, 2011 at 2:36 pm
thanks for all of your ideas. what a heady conversation.
something Stacy said above made me think: these comments, to an extent, have fallen mostly on the non-monetization side of the spectrum. which happens to be where i’ve chosen to be, (for now, anyway, with this particular space). but. that wasn’t my point.
Stacy said there’s room for both writers and money-makers in the blogosphere/social media world…AGREED. at the same time i’m not so comfortable with the idea of two camps, separate but equal or whatever.
i think most of the people – certainly the monetized people here – are part of the solution to the problem i see. i’m concerned that the separations between us lead to notions of purity, on either side. and i think it’s false.
me, i think people have every right to make money from their blogs, and i think we ARE brands, monetized or no. we’re all still in the same reputation economy.
the problem i’m identifying is that what a lot of users seem to be setting out TO be these days is simply mouthpieces for major corporations and the old guard. and this separation from the idea and experience of connection and peer-to-peer relationships – if it happens in large enough numbers – will change what social media CAN be. media’s potentiality usually gets shrunk over time. i don’t want to see social media simply be another path to a place in the traditional halls of power. to me, that would mean we’d lost something profound and potentially culture-changing.
to me, if you are building community and participating with others and sharing, you are doing social media. if you are JUST focused on gaining enough platform to secure the attention of brands so you can work for them, you are not. it’s a matter of perspective.
i’m noticing that what i consider “good practice” for social media reads like a positive kindergarten report card: ha.
thanks so much, everyone, for your input.
October 20th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
My voice in this remains personal. If I share any information about a product, it is without the company ever hearing from me about it. I didn’t start blogging for money and you won’t find any ads on my blog. I didn’t start for fame. I started to tell my story and meet others in the same position. That’s why I’m still in it. I’ve made valuable connections to other people and not a single one to a brand. I’m here for the people who share their lives with me as I share mine with them and that’s what’s important to me.
October 20th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
Finally strung together the 10 mintues I needed to properly ingest this, and there’s no way I can wade through all 70 comments right now, so forgive me if this has been said, but: yes. Exactly.
“Consumers of opportunity.” That’s where I get twitchy, and maybe a bit judgey, because it’s the antithesis of what I love about blogging and social media. Like you, I’m happy to see blogger renumerated for their work, and for their influence. And I have to be careful about taking an elitist sort of position, because I was at Blissdom on a sponsor’s dime, and I do get paid well for the ads on my blog, and I am happy to work with the few brands that I have selected as shareworthy with my readers. But when the relationship with the brands is the end goal? Frankly, it makes for a pretty boring blog.
When I spoke to CBC about this on the weekend, I said that I think the era of purely review blogs may be coming to an end because they are not inately sustainable. I mean really, who cares? There has to be that foundation of quality content to engage people, to earn that influence. At least, ideally.
This is so good. I’m so glad this conversation is happening. Hope to get back and savour all the comments soon too!
October 20th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
In theory I like the idea of a unified camp of connection bloggers, but I see an issue here: there is a vast gulf of difference between the advertisable blogs and the non-advertisable ones. For lack of a better adjective.
If you are wealthy, white, married, have attractive and healthy kids, are attractive and healthy yourself, and blog on fairly safe and mainstream subjects, your ability to attract advertising will be correspondingly huge. We like to talk about how game-changing these conversations are, but in the vast scheme of things, a group of well-off women in a standard consumer demographic talking about the pains of labour and breastfeeding is not actually all that subversive.
Now put up a blog of a woman living off disability who writes about child abuse and whose readers are all broke–advertisers? No. She could be Shakespeare with a cane, and it wouldn’t matter.
People magazine has ads, and those ads support their magazine to the point where it’s printed on nice glossy full-colour paper and they can sell it for pennies. Orion magazine doesn’t have ads because they want the freedom and ability to keep printing long-form journalism that challenges consumer culture. Glamour magazine gets a lot of money from ads and also has a beautiful glossy colour magazine that sells for pennies. Bitch magazine can’t, and doesn’t, and is constantly appealing to subscribers for donations to keep them publishing. Any notion of equating the differences in their advertising or circulation budgets with the quality of their writing or whether or not they deserve to make money from their work is meaningless–Orion and Bitch are, by any objective standard, of far higher quality than People and Glamour. It’s not reflected in the ads or the financials and it never will be.
They also have VERY different readers, and VERY different writers. I suspect that the writers of Orion and People rarely run into each other at parties or strike up long-term correspondences. I could be wrong. The blogosphere is different, but not that different. Notions of moral purity don’t even have to come into it–they’ll be concerned with different subjects, have different points of view, different messages, and be communicating with different audiences.
October 21st, 2011 at 4:46 pm
At the risk of sounding melodramatic!
A frontier has two sides.. LeGuin: “Coming from another world, they take yours from you, changing it, draining it, shrinking it into a property, a commodity. And as your world is meaningless to them until they change it into theirs, so as you live among them and adopt their meanings, you are in danger of losing your own meaning to yourself.”
October 21st, 2011 at 7:00 pm
Hi Bon,
Thanks for bringing this up. Your post led my thoughts down a few paths…(sorry I did not read through all comments either)
Your post led my thoughts down a few paths…
I don’t know about brands. However, I do look behind what I read and try to question the author’s audience and purpose. Yes, at times, I am turned off by the message if I think it is commercialized. At other times I like what the machine is feeding me.
I have been reading about curation lately. Information is everywhere but with my critical eye, I own the information and keep, or bookmark, what works for me.
I have always enjoyed reading your blog posts as it represents to me a transparent lifestyle that is brave and thoughtful full of love and ambition on many levels.
The next path…
This morning I had the privilege of listening to Dr Steven VanZoost. He has a great inspiring message. I thought you might like to “connect” to his real friend’s project. It is about a project of kids who are shutting down their facebooks.
http://avhs.ednet.ns.ca/staff/vanzoosts/
October 22nd, 2011 at 3:31 pm
these last few comments are perhaps in danger of being missed: i wanted to thank you, Jennifer, for the LeGuin quote. touche.
what you & Andrea say resonates: i do think that advertising ends up driving discourse and re-entrenching mainstream (or reactionary) concepts of normal. maybe esp in a medium where it’s all about identity.
Dawn, i did my B.Ed with Steven VanZoost. will look up the project…my only hesitation (not having looked yet) is i DO think this space is hugely valuable, and so going silent or shutting down only leaves the space to the crap. i want to see positive, connected, supportive, heterarchical use of it instead.
October 22nd, 2011 at 10:38 pm
I think Blissdom Canada experience depended on the panels you attended.
I must say the SOCIAL GOOD one was outstanding!
October 23rd, 2011 at 12:08 pm
I must say, I really enjoyed reading this post. I can say this with sincere intentions. I can’t say that about most posts I “try/or don’t try” to read.
I’ve been around awhile and I’ve seen the change. Saw the change before most and have for the most part, stayed true to myself. What I find amazing about social media and blogs is that quite a few feel entitled as if they deserve to be paid for their “expert” design. I find most of it quite funny as I have never really thought much of people who thought more of themselves than they should especially when they aren’t schooled in the actual shit they are hawking.
I’m okay being the canary they bring back in the bucket after the mine was closed. At least I used my last breath as a song and not a “tweet.”
October 24th, 2011 at 5:01 am
OK, finally had the time to read the post plus the comments. Fascinating stuff.
I’ve been blogging since 2005; I started strictly as a way to exercise my atrophied writing muscles, and to make connections with other people. I have never been a ‘big’ blogger; I’ve got my little corner of the internets and while sometimes I wish I had more readers who commented (sigh), I often have to remind myself that hey, several hundred people are reading my writing and as a teenager struggling to find my voice I’d have been thrilled with that.
I go back and forth on the subject of monetizing. I’d love to make a little extra pocket money or get some free stuff, if I had a bloody clue how to do it. Periodically I get this feeling of “my god, I should be seeing *some* return on the hours I spend tweeting / facebooking / blogging”. Then I remember that I love my computer because my friends live in it and I return to feeling as if the process is the reward.
I do know that blogs with frequent sponsored posts and giveaways annoy me. I don’t often read them and the whole process feels very cynical – it seems to be the same circle of folks chasing their own tails. But I try not to be unfair because maybe I’m just jealous that I’ve never received a PR pitch.
Can you tell I’m conflicted? ;)
I’d have loved to go to Blissdom, for the meet-up stuff. I’m hoping I can go next year. If I do, it’ll be entirely on my own dime – although if some company that I support anyway offered to pitch in I wouldn’t say no.
One last thought – my Twitter presence is wee but 99% of my interactions there are conversations. I detest people who use Twitter to broadcast and never ever engage their followers… I get that not every tweet can be replied to but there are some bloggers (no names) who will broadcast a ‘question’, get answers from a dozen or so people, and then move on to something else entirely without ever engaging their followers in return. And I think that’s a dick move, myself. /end rant/
Bottom line – I have made some of the most important connections of my adult life through blogging. The attempted corporate takeover of the larger community I blog in almost never touches me. While I do think it’s an important discussion to have and we must always be aware of what we’re doing here, and why, I don’t necessarily think the farm’s been sold. Not entirely, and not by everyone.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:39 am
Hannah, i really appreciated your perspective. i agree on everything except the last conclusion about the farm.
my assumption is the farm is a collective, and therefore that overall shifts in practices and purposes affect all of us living there. we may keep on keeping on, making friends and being free, but if enough people use the same platforms and spaces not JUST to build platforms as well as networks but PRIMARILY as paths to platform and old guard market success, gradually our “ownership” of the space will be eroded. you don’t need to sell everything, only 50% + 1.
these are corporate platforms we perform our open & connected identities on. if we don’t emphasize the open & connected parts, they won’t be there forever.
that’s why i’m concerned. that’s why i think it touches all of us. :)
October 24th, 2011 at 9:10 pm
Jennifer can always be trusted to bring the le Guin quote. :) It’s one of the many great things about her.
Thanks, Bon. It has been lovely to see this conversation still kicking around in a very monetized era.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:38 pm
Like others have already said repeatedly before me — wow, great post. While I have many thoughts on this subject, right now I just feel kinda depressed that I wasn’t around for all this “old skool” cool. Now that there are so many people blogging, it’s viable to have a conference solely for the creator-non-branded folks, isn’t it? … bring back a little old skool cool for some of us more new kids on the block?
October 25th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
There is in fact just too much to comment upon. Speaking most generically I agree with you. I don’t particularly like it. The focus on getting sponsors and marketers, to what end? For some coupons? For free samples of products you probably wouldn’t buy otherwise? I’ve unfollowed many blogs that have shifted to being mostly giveaway, sponsor review based. I want to read CONTENT not commercials. I have a DVR so I don’t have to watch them either. I think its easier to avoid it in social media. Just don’t follow those brands. I still keep my twitter almost entirely PEOPLE. Yes, there are a few brands that I really like that I follow, but its not about that for me.