Mon 9 Jan 2012
the first rule of mommyblogging is: you don’t talk about mommyblogging
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when i first knew Dave, he was a cocky 22 year old with a scruffy black notebook always in hand. i asked him once – because my own writing was then so closeted i turned pink anytime i cracked the spine on my journal – what he wanted to write for.
did he have an end in mind? a great novel? an opus? a garret to freeze in?
i think he laughed. and paused. and then he said, i want to be interviewed by Peter Gzowski.
if you lived in Canada through the 80s and 90s, maybe you know what that means. Gzowski was the lion of CBC morning radio. me, i barely came out of my self-imposed radio-free cloister in time for the end of the man’s career; i passed much of my misspent youth under the impression that radio was merely a commercial haven for swaggering DJs, Rick Astley, and my mother’s beloved Saturday Night Hoedown. but my liberal arts education eventually bequeathed me the CBC at the height of Gzowski’s reign. he accompanied a whole generation of us X-ers into the mornings of our adulthoods, with his courteous curiosity and his capacity to make everyday corners of our huge, vanilla country seem absolutely riveting. he did it not in soundbites but in long, drawn-out conversations that always always made me wish i were the third cup of coffee at that table for two voices.
so when Dave said Gzowski, i understood. Gzowski was not about fame, per se, or writing as discipline and craft and greatness. Gzowski, as a definition of success, was about access; the honour of sitting at the table where the big story was being told.
Dave was an early adopter of the 21st century outlook on creative expression. art, like technology, is not an end in itself; it is simply what it affords us. it is – or can be, if one is lucky – a seat at the table.
in the old model, singular greatness was supposed to be both its own reward. it was also supposed to launch one to fame and fortune, but it was vulgar to consider those goals. success was entirely a vertical game.
Gzowski was my first introduction to the idea that it might be more horizontal, more about voice and access and participation in a conversation than some mysterious process of coming to exist on whole new planes of merit and grandeur.
Peter Gzowski died almost ten years ago, on my thirtieth birthday.
yesterday, a couple of weeks before my fortieth (mercy), i got closer to Dave’s old dream than i’d have imagined possible, back then. i was on the CBC’s The Sunday Edition. national radio. a seat at the big table.
i’ll never meet Gzowski, but an hour in the CBC studio talking to Ira Basen, with his convivial, intelligent questions? hearing myself on national radio talking about momblogging and monetization?
i was honoured. and flattered. as The Pogues taught me long ago, when you live with someone years on end, you kinda end up taking their dreams as your own. being on The Sunday Edition is my idea of doing Dave proud. and myself.
and it was as cool as i’d have thought it would be. almost.
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it is almost impossible – as almost anybody in momblogging will tell you – to talk about momblogging without treading on toes. we’re the Fight Club whose fights and divisions and hurt feelings stem almost entirely from breaching the unwritten rule of not talking about Fight Club. we are a community that hasn’t really been a single community for years, like most in social media. but we still get lumped together - even by many of us, me included – under the convenient if always controversial and slightly pejorative handle of mommybloggers, and we bristle and feel misunderstood and wonder what the hell we have in common.
even in polite Canada.
the documentary explored The Great Monetization Divide of Mommyblogging. i liked it. my sense was that Ira tried hard to treat both sides of the monetization conversation respectfully.
my voice ended up on the non-monetization side of fence: a partial truth, but you dance in a two-sided polka and you end up in pants or a dress, i suppose. narrative conventions dictate that there BE two sides, given equal air.
i see it more like this: i haven’t monetized this blog, but i do get to speak at conferences, and the blog has gotten me paid work in other venues. i see myself as a part of the networks and economy that make monetization possible.
i said that, but not all of it made it to air. that’s okay. it’s not the CBC’s job to represent me to the world.
that’s MY job.
for me, social media has been about taking the Gzowski model and truly, uh, horizontalizing it: giving regular people platforms on which to publicly tell their own stories and host their own conversations about their riveting corners of otherwise seemingly vanilla worlds.
these platforms are built of people. networked audiences, in peer-to-peer relationships.
social media also has vertical channels, avenues by which ordinary folk can sometimes find seats at tables that were once closed. this too is a sort of democratizing force, compared to the old models of how people got their voices “discovered.” these vertical channels of brand and big media are also increasingly the business engine by which social media sustains itself.
most of us whose audience aspires beyond an intimate network of friends are invested in both the vertical and the horizontal. but that’s what’s getting lost in the increased polarization between monetized and non-monetized camps.
i hear the critique on both sides; personal bloggers are indulgent crap. monetized bloggers are sell-outs. you can be a friend, but my peers are professionals, now. we’re splitting ourselves down the middle based on horizontal or vertical aspirations. and i’m tired of feeling like i’m caught in a bad divorce.
truth is, you can’t have social media without the peer-to-peer connections. then it’s just media, my friends. and there are never going to be jobs for all of us in a traditional media economy. i think we’re stuck with each other, building horizontally as we build vertically, unless we want the whole shebang we’ve built on these peer-to-peer connections to come crumbling down.
a non-monetized blogger benefits from the profile gained by vertical national exposure. people with entirely vertical aspirations need build enough horizontal peer-to-peer buzz and profile that they begin to stand out to those peering in from the vertical towers. BECAUSE WE’RE IN THE SAME REPUTATION ECONOMY. that’s what social media IS.
the divide between monetized and non-monetized? i think it’s a fake one, a trap we’re party to constructing and leaping into.
remember Jon Stewart in 2004, shrieking at that little Crossfire turd in the bowtie and his so-called liberal foil? YOU’RE HURTING AMERICA! ?? yeh. remember that?
we don’t have to play along with the theatre that divides us by pretending we have nothing in common. a whole lot of us have both horizontal AND vertical aspirations.
but maybe we don’t know how to talk about it. maybe we don’t hear about it on the radio, or even see much of it on Twitter. we start thinking about social media as us and them.
so the CBC documentary? great for me, so long as all those of us who heard it didn’t walk away even more convinced that the polarization is natural and inevitable and hopeless. and moreso, so long as, if we did, we don’t just leave the conversation there.
because the beauty of social media is that sure, an industry giant can explore us and reflect us back to ourselves. but our platforms let us pull up to the table and join the conversation: our critical reflection comes as part of the deal.
social media gives us access: lets us all talk to Gzowski, in the figurative sense. i don’t want to sell that short.
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can we talk about Fight Club? or blogging? or whatever the hell we ought to call it, from here on in? tell me what YOU want from social media, for 2012. tell me what YOU’RE invested in, out here.
can we split this conversation beyond the two camps, once and for all?
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January 9th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
It was just an honor for me to be at that big table talking about it all with Ira, and I do think it is an important discussion to have.
Now, I do have a sponsored post or two, a giveaway here and there, but as I shared I try simply to connect the dots. Brands I love and readers I love. I think there is a lot that can be done, shared, embraced. most of all we need to embrace our differences and know that is ok.
January 9th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Hmm, as ever, making me think (and go ever so slightly green with envy for the particular way in which you choreograph your thoughts and words).
I want more interaction—three dimensional authenticity as opposed to this sort of idealized authenticity which really seems to be piggybacking whatever the hot topic of the moment. I want less incendiary, link bait headlines and more thoughtfulness.
Yet I understand that these won’t go away, it’s how tall tales came to be. Preening, puffing up chests—attention is the name of the game, no?
I suppose the answer is I want to charge myself with doing a better job of filtering what I allow in, so that the experience is what I want it to be. I want to find voices that lift me and others that challenge me and as I put my own ideas out into the social ether, I want to make sure I do it in a meaningful way.
January 9th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
as bloggers, as women, as writers we need to stick together, really. discussing the intricacies of this messy blogging world is one thing, but arguing, judging, and getting nasty is simply a way to “divide and conquer.”
wish i could have seen it!
January 9th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
i love the way you divide things into horizontal and vertical. somehow, that very simple notion, of a big grid – not a graph, mind you – is a great way of giving perspective to the two measurements of blogging. vertically, i’m in the almost unmonetized camp – ads which pay bupkis – but like you, i’ve been able to parlay some of what i’ve learned into other forms of income (social media consultancies in my spare time). horizontally, i love my peers – and i love that i keep finding new people to read and that new people keep finding me. it’s heartening.
January 9th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
I’m trying to comment and I keep writing and deleting. Trying to say that there aren’t sides, but then charting how my interest as a reader dips as monetization (of which there is a spectrum) increases. Despite having a career in marketing, I’m extremely cantankerous about how marketing invades my life. I’d like to say that’s just how I am, and that it’s not a form of blogging snobbery. But that’s why I keep writing and deleting…
I keep trying to explain this: when bloggers interrupt the flow of storytelling on a blog for a Swiffer Wetjet giveaway – or when they constantly crash my browser with video-heavy banners that yell at me, over the writing – or when they diminish their own design, visual identity, and principles to, again, yell at me about CheapStocks.com – I get really cranky. I never go back.
I keep feeling like it *is* some kind of snobbery, and so I’m left unsure of what to say. I don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings, but I feel like we’re inundated enough with promotional messages in every existing frame of view, hearing, and information. I opt out of it in every way I possibly can. I don’t like to be critical of the aspirations of others, but that’s the truth of how I move in social media. Defensively.
Still thinking. Interesting stuff, Bon. And national CBC! You belong there.
January 9th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
I shy away from heavily monetized sites, but only if they started as more personal sites….I lost my own momentum doing reviews etc, well that with other reasons…it detracts like kate said, from the core conversation, and causes some divides that are unnecessary.
However,I don’t think you can get away from it, and I’m attempting to bridge that divide myself by stepping away and coming back to it.
January 9th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
I listened to the CBC story – twice. I have thought about it a lot since yesterday.
Honestly? It made me kind of mad. Why? Well, I think that it made the divide way, way bigger than it needs to be. I also think that it made it seem like the whole world of blogging might just come crashing down due to the commercialization of Mommy Blogging. Really? No matter where we go in the world commercialization will be there. That is the price we pay for living in a society that is market driven. Mommy Bloggers aren’t alone going to make or break the world of social media; sure they are important. Very important – but no, I just won’t accept that Mommy Bloggers are full out selling their souls or ethics because they place some ads on their sites or write reviews on products that they were sponsored to talk about.
Sure we can talk about this as an issue; but let’s face it – Mommy Bloggers are not the only bloggers who face this issue of monetization vs non monetization on their blogs. Lots of bloggers have been struggling with this for more than a little bit of time. Google it and you will find blog posts on this issue going back years and years.
Like anything in life there is a balance. Further, as you say Bonnie we are in a “reputation economy”. For me this is ultimately what it comes down to. If I interact with you on social media then I am looking to learn more about you. I am quickly zeroing in on your values, on your passions and on what it is that you stand for. If I come to trust you, then I believe that you will manage your blogging and monetization (if you choose this) in a responsible manner. I believe that you will be ethical. I trust that you won’t try to sell me things just for the sake of selling me things. I also trust that you will be upfront and honest with me. If you prove me wrong, then I will move on.
So yes, let’s talk about ethics and values. Let’s talk about how women who choose to blog and earn an income from it can do so in a manner that ensures they are aligned with their own ethics and values. However, for goodness sakes, let’s not make Mommy Bloggers who earn an income feel as though they have done something that is wrong; because they haven’t.
January 9th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Well done. And well said. I find myself agreeing with Kate – I flee heavily commercial sites – but I know Jane is right and that the conversation needs to happen. We will not have consensus until people comment, rather than just leave, when they are turned off.
January 9th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Oh, you started with Gzowski? *swoon*
I need to think more about this, but I read a lot in your posts, and in Kate’s notion of “blog snobbery.” I am such a hypocrite in that the concept of blog snobbery resonates so deeply and yet I turn a fair profit with ads and have benefited greatly through my sponsorship with Fisher-Price. I am truly a spectrum of grey on this matter.
More thinking, cooking of dinner, and I will come back to this.
Gzowski… *smile*
January 9th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
Well it’s the art vs. money thing, right? Like those two have NEVER been successfully merged. *snort.*
Most of the great art ever created was done for money. Or in the hopes of making it. Trying to make a living – or even a pittance – of doing *something you love* isn’t crass. It isn’t “selling out.” It’s what each of us wanted, originally, when we were kids. It’s The Dream.
When I was in 6th grade my teacher asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I said, “a writer.” And here I am. And my heart bursts with real fucking joy and gratitude everyday for that. I’m the luckiest woman alive.
So, in conclusion: fuck that noise. Let’s rock.
xo
January 9th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
(Sorry, that was to read “off doing *something you love*” – stupid fingers.)
January 9th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Christine, I’m gently interested in your comment: “As bloggers, as women, as writers we need to stick together…” Please bear with me as I riff a little, and my apologies if I take it in a direction you didn’t intend. It’s just got me to thinking, as I’ve seen this sentiment expressed before.
I see all those categories as being widely diverse. I don’t identify on a broad basis with all bloggers because of the shared use of a platform, or all women because of shared vaginas, or all writers because of shared keyboards. I’m curious at the feminist angle of “we must support each other” – if I turn away from a blog that tries to sell me a Swiffer WetJet because I’m not interested in highly orchestrated corporate campaigns disguised as spontaneous enthusiasm, am I making some kind of anti-woman statement? Do I owe it to writers and bloggers as a whole to consume as much as possible, regardless of topic or style, just to support a collective (one that I’d argue doesn’t exist)?
I’m not judging, or not intending to on an individual level. This comes from the general frustration that every corner of our lives has been taken over by corporate interests. Even spaces and voices billed as personal. I choose not to partake as a reader, but I don’t see that as non-supportive or nasty. It’s discerning, and natural. We all have to draw these lines as consumers or we’d retain nothing.
I’m speaking as a reader, and not as a writer. That’s an important distinction. The fact that I’m not interested in a whole swath of blog genres and intentions (and interested in others) doesn’t pit me against anyone. It makes me a conscious reader with limited time and a short fuse for welcoming even more advertising into my world.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
One more thought: reading all these comments, it’s clear that we’re all thinking of different reference points on the spectrum of monetization. Ads, sponsored posts, reviews, giveaways, banners – there are as many differences as there are intentions, it can be done well, and not done well.
Pajama time.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Kate, there’s a spectrum, absolutely. the spectrum extends all the way from the teeniest little blog that never tried to grow traffic beyond three readers and the most aggressive, Amway-esque branded selling machine out there.
we’re ALL on the spectrum. and 97% of us fall somewhere in the middle of it and it doesn’t make us the same or mean we have to love everybody but we are FOOLS to draw a fake dividing line down the middle and think that siding against each other helps ANYbody. i don’t love the hardcore Amway stuff, no. i do love tens – maybe hundreds – of monetized blogs, many of whom manage their monetization in creative ways. you’re one of them.
yes, corporate interests have taken over: that’s life in late capitalism. even where they’re not evident they’ve taken over: i may not be selling you a Swiffer but i’m still a brand, of sorts. i still protect my rep and act like a little neoliberal corporation looking to expand my reach just as much as i do like a person looking to connect. both are true. “authentic” doesn’t exist as a degree of remove from money: like Sweetney says, they’ve always gone together. Shakespeare had patrons.
these networks, this capacity to connect peer-to-peer, is an affordance that will survive only so long as we value it. literally. most of us use platforms that are free; few of us can do our own coding anymore. we’ve given over a lot of power, just in the last couple of years, to ad-driven platforms. if enough of us ONLY act vertically, those free platforms that enable the horizontal? they’ll disappear. mark my words (insert old lady voice here). that’s the point.
that’s why i think we’re all in this together. we have a real commonality – peer-to-peer networking – that is not a given. and that many of us don’t actually have the tech skills to sustain. that we’re all in this together doesn’t mean you have to LIKE everybody’s stuff. but like Jane said, we could be talking about values or ethics. if we were, we could create better models for this middle of the road: what you do, what i do, the myriad of paths everyone here has found. not one person here has EVER pitched me a Swiffer. but when we cloister off in camps and Other those who don’t do what we do, we give up on making this middle ground the viable option, where commerce is acceptable but other things hold sway too.
January 9th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Dani…i spent quite a while thinking your comment “you started with Gzowski?” meant that i’d given the accidental impression that i had somehow EVER crossed paths with the illustrious lord of the CBC interview…which, alas, no. just to be clear. this was my first rodeo.
and Hollie, i was honoured to be there too. very much so. but that doesn’t mean i think that we should all take the picture of ourselves the CBC’s reflected back at us as gospel: certain stories and narrative conventions hold power in our culture. these days, stories of unbreachable divides are one of those. and i think they paralyze us, sometimes; keep us from seeing where the cracks that make change possible really are.
January 9th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
Hmm. For you the horizontal movement has served to encourage vertical movement, no? But I wonder if sometimes it does the reverse — i.e., that horizontal networking doesn’t facilitate but rather hinder vertical networking, and vertical hinder horizontal. I think it’s lucky, really lucky, when the two complement each other, but I’m not sure that’s always, or even sometimes, the case.
January 9th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Kate, I completely get what you’re saying. This – what you’re driving at – is about Integrity (and actual talent, writing talent, not promotional skills), I think. Can you make money off the thing you love and do so with integrity, without the “art” suffering, without watering yourself down to suit sponsors and such? Can you be YOU, and write your truth, and make money still? Yes, I think you can. I have ads. But I don’t tailor my writing to anyone or anything. Everything on Sweetney came from me. I’ve done giveaways, but only of things I really liked (Dansko shoes, motherfuckers!), and *I* sought those out. I thought, “shit, I love this thing – it would be cool to giveaway and let people know about” as opposed to Swiffer contacting me and trying to use me and my blog like a tool to their own end. Does that make sense?
I dunno. Tricky, slippery subject. But I do get what people are saying about how stuff like constant sponsored posts and crap can get tiresome and detract from a blog, and how you feel about it. But I don’t think that HAS to be the case and I think these things can be done tastefully and in a way that works (for example, Kate, what if Nikon or Canon approached you and said “hey, wanna give away a couple free DSLRs on your blog?” – and you really liked their cameras. Wouldn’t that be a reasonable fit? And wouldn’t it be kind of a cool thing to do, to give those to your readers? Or would that be icky? Just trying to get a sense of the comfort boundaries/parameters in terms of mixing art/commerce…).
January 9th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
How very, very, very, very interesting. You have illuminated a lot for me.
I have not been trying for a seat at the table. I didn’t know that’s what bloggers tried to do. Now you say it, though, I see that it’s true.
All I have ever aimed to do — and what I thought people like Gzowski aimed to do — was to explain us to each other, to validate each other’s pespective — each other’s existence: I hear you. I see you. You exist, you are unique.
Lord almighty, that sounds naive.
January 9th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Ha Bon, no, I meant my comment in the context of “your lede was Gzowski.” So à propos I can barely stand it — he is the epitome of what I wanted (want?) to do with my blog, drag everybody with a brain to my virtual kitchen table to look at the shit I pulled out of the newspaper and the blogosphere and the rattrap that is my brain and chat it out while we ignore the noises of boisterous children outside. And oh look, here’s some pretty pictures too.
Sweetney’s first comment also resonates deeply with me. I’ve been blogging for seven years come February and I’m still mildly surprised that people keep coming back and saying such nice things. I too only ever wanted to be a writer, but not a book writer. Like Karen Green said at Blissdom, I wanted my own magazine column and damn if the blog isn’t just that. And like Sweetney said in a later comment (this is also what I love madly about blogging, the ability to figure out what exactly it is I think by riffing off everyone else in the comment box) since there are business that I respect that will pay me to share my space and talk about them a little bit every now and then like I would have been talking about them even if they weren’t paying me, I’m pretty cool with that. (Um, where do I sign for that Nikon sponsorship?) It certainly helps me justify to my family the ridiculous amount of time I spend with my nose pressed against the monitor clicking away.
So yes, the divisiveness is an artificial construct, maybe based on our need to rationalize and justify our own position? If I can say to myself, “Well, I made $200 last month, but at least I didn’t whore myself out for Corn Pops…” maybe I can sleep a little easier?
Sorry, rushing headlong through this as Lucas begs me to put him to bed… pls excuse the lack of coherence and editing.
January 9th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Sarah…very interesting point. in looking at a couple of different online networks/communities (the momblogging/narrative blogging intersection, edublogging, and more recently online Ph.D & academic networks) over the years, i’ve noticed a few parallels. there are the ppl who managed – sometimes accidentally – to move into the vertical stream early and who’ve reached a scale of profile or success so they aren’t doing a whole lot more horizontal building. they’ll engage if engaged, maybe. then there are those whose focus is mostly horizontal: they’re active but the maintaining of ties is where their primary energy goes. some have regular access to vertical opportunities but either eschew them (because of how they change the identity part of social media, for example) or may not know how to take advantage of them b/c they see the etiquette of social media as entirely personal. then there’s often a whole pile of us somewhere in the middle, doing all kinds of stuff. beyond that, though, the clarity escapes me. i wish i knew if there was a sweet spot for mixing the horizontal and vertical, but i think that would end up depending on one’s goal, and also the circles one ran in, the ties one had to build on in either direction.
to what you said, Jennifer…not naive at all. i do think that’s what Gzowski aimed to do. and like Dani said, for me, it’s been a model for my own blogging. i wanted to bear witness to things that people often look away from, validate stories and perspectives that don’t find a home very often in the mainstream discourse. i wanted those to have a seat at the table. but i also wanted the table to be sizeable, to have some scale, if that makes sense? Gzowski would have been great sitting around in his basement, talking to a couple of folks. but he wouldn’t have had the impact on the cultural concept of Canada that he did, if that were the case.
we come from such different narratives, the lot of us. for some of us, ambition is such a dirty word. for others, market strategies come as natural as breathing and anybody who doesn’t think like that? clearly has no business succeeding. no wonder we’re easy to divide.
i wish we were so easy to pull together. :)
January 9th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
Part of my lack of surety here is that I’ve never seen a dividing line or witnessed a debate that tried to establish one. I’ve never seen anyone state, “Anyone with ads is a sellout”. I’ve only ever seen people defending themselves (proactively?) against the possible accusation out of unnecessary self-conciousness.
I have no objection to ads in general – I read plenty of blogs that are monetized in this way, as is my own, and there’s absolutely no connection to (air-quotes) authenticity. The only time I cringe about how real estate is used on a personal website is when it a) crashes my browser, which happens often on ad-heavy blogs; or b) detracts in a way that assaults me visually and, in my opinion, overpowers the brand impact of the blogger.
When I refer to blogs that I stay away from completely, I’m talking about those that try, even intermittently, to sell me stuff, convince me I need stuff, or make me a fan of stuff. Being a marketer (though for business-to-business, which is different than business-to-consumer marketing), maybe I’m too exposed to the strategy and vapidity of campaigns like that. It’s the posts written as extended ads, and positioned as though connecting brands to people is some kind of favour being done for the reader (as if the reader *wants* more brands in her life). There’s no public good from telling us, no matter how creatively, how much you love your new Johnson & Johnson or your Nestle or your General Mills anything. Especially if they asked you to, or incented you to. It’s not philanthropy, and it’s not spontaneous. It’s highly planned and I have absolutely zero interest in reading it. I have to sit through enough ads as it is.
The recent Babble list has flooded my inbox with PR emails looking for exposure (I don’t say this to be special – I just didn’t realize before how fortunately unspecial I was). For ‘partnerships’, to offer me ‘exciting news’ that I ‘should share’ with my readers. I appreciated the nod, but I’m inundated. And so I’m in that headspace: Who says yes? Why? And when they do, who keeps reading? It’s a point of complete bewilderment.
Not one person in your circle has ever pitched you a Swiffer because you don’t bring those blogs into your circle. That’s the point – who does? Why am I so inundated with thoughtless PR stunts that don’t benefit anybody except the drone who owns the thoughtless marketing checklist? Because people like to be included and noticed. Even by a duster.
I’m not saying that nobody should feature corporations on a regular basis. Anyone can do whatever they like. I’m just saying that as a reader, I don’t give my time to content like that – and I certainly wouldn’t expect my readers to give me their time for content like that. I give away enough of it as it is against my will – before a movie, on the street. I’m captive enough. I can’t tolerate it on blogs, especially when it’s presented like it’s a benefit to me.
Commerce is not only inevitable but totally acceptable. Sweetney, you mention relevant, occasional giveaways or ads and I’ve got no issue at all with that. I’ve done it before, here and there, and plenty of beloved others have too. You don’t do sponsored posts, you don’t reprint press releases, and you don’t try to sell me anything or ask me to participate in a promotional scheme.
That’s why I came back and mentioned the spectrum. There’s a big difference between tasteful, decent, non-yelling ads and the kind of corporate mandate that infiltrates writing while trying to pose as useful, like it thinks it belongs in the discourse or in my face. It doesn’t – at least not in mine – not in that way.
Remember at Blissdom, all those marketers and marketer-seekers? How it didn’t feel like the kind of blogging we wanted to be involved in? I don’t think that’s an unfair cloister. I think that’s just ideals, aspirations, preferences. You create and seek out what mirrors them.
January 9th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
Instead of non-monetization vs monetization or “losing the original purpose of social media and blogging” Why can’t what mom and non mom’s do with blogging be about the evolution of blogging or the opportunity of blogging…both for media and for those who blog? Blogging and social media are not static mediums. The fact that they are tools in which people can explore not only creatively but also as means of finding and financing new careers should be celebrated and not left as a ‘hmmm’ in a succinct documentary. – As I said on FB after listening
January 9th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
I don’t feel abrasive but I sound it. I’m not a dick. I only play one on the internet. Pardon the definitive crankiness. I’ll go back to my hole now.
January 9th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
Kate, we love your crankiness. And I think we’re in agreement? Very close to in agreement? So s’alright with me! xo
January 9th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
Honestly, I probably never should have said a word. I never accused anyone specific of being nasty, just cautioning against it. I don’t have the emotional energy to engage right now. *she says as she slinks back to her quiet, unpopular blog*
January 10th, 2012 at 12:02 am
I feel the same way, though you don’t need to. I didn’t mean to require you to engage, Christine. Sorry to have called you out like that. My problem tonight was too much emotional energy.
January 10th, 2012 at 1:06 am
Well, this is the point isn’t it? Or the point for me anyway. The big table. What you have done with this post Bon, is pull up the chairs. And I love and admire that.
I have different quibbles, like Kate, my feminist buttons get pushed. I get defensive and inquisitive and eventually downright ornery so I sit quietly and listen. {which I have not done, not yet, with this doc. Will do. Looking forward to it.}
In a way, I miss banging the old cultural & gender discourse table. I used to dance on it, in big feminist boots. Now though, I love having a seat around a new table in this brave new internet dining room, listening, marvelling at the number of voices, some in it for the stories & the telling, some for the loot bags but neither it seems is less a part of the conversation. The money buys the plates, the forks and the wine. The table? We’ve conjured it. With words and shared experience. That is the part that makes me marvel.
January 10th, 2012 at 7:01 am
it’s ok. we don’t know each other at all, and maybe if we were more familiar with each other we could get a better understanding of each other’s view point. and the reality is that i left a short, vague comment that screams kumbaya without any deeper intellectual ideas added to it.i sometimes get intimidated in the presence (i know i’m being sensitive here) of bigger, more well known, theory bloggers and posts.
i have tons to say about the subject. and i don’t actually think we disagree. i just get a little “shy” (*cringing* because this society has such a negative view of shy/sensitive/quiet) and have a hard time articulating my words as well as those more versed in these types of discussions.
i have a much easier time of it over a cup of tea. :-) and my writing focuses more on creative nonfiction rather than theory anyway. i’m more comfortable talking about the craft of writing than the politics of blogging.
it’s all good.
January 10th, 2012 at 7:46 am
It has taken me a while to read the post and all the comments to try to figure out where I stand. I’ve thought about it before, but I haven’t thought very hard.
My purposes for, and interests in blogging are only a really small part of it, too, I think. I write because I want to mark time, document not only my experiences but the ways in which I was able to express them at a certain time. And naturally, there’s older stuff that I cringe at, wish I could change (I /could/, technically), but I just want it to be as true to that time as it can be, and that’s going to include my downfalls, my creative mishaps, my douchebaggery, ignorance, naiveté, whatever else. It’s entirely horizontal for me, fundamentally, but perhaps slightly also because I’ve never had the opportunity to make it about anything commercial. Not really. As well as being driven by my own space for marking my own experience, I’m driven by the people who read, share their own experience, and engage in whatever I share.
I feel significantly more okay when, after having written (and posted) about something really haaaard, someone says something to the effect of “I remember that, and it gets better, I promise promise promise”. And I think that’s more than just validation; it’s a comfort in a shared experience or understanding of that kind of sorrow/angst/elation/joy/whatev… and the experience of expanding on ways to describe it. The other side of being validated? I feel like I’m having a nice little impact when someone (even if it’s just a friend I see regularly anyway) “you expressed what I feel and couldn’t say.” It’s a nice give and take, I feel like.
And social media (in addition to blogging)? Most of my views are from having posted the link to a new post on facebook or twitter. That’s the bulk (which is the less embarrassing way of saying “my biggest fans are my friends and my mum”). But, as time as gone on, new connections made, more guts, more thought… when I do something like this (engage in a discussion, share my opinion/thoughts, or just say HI xoxoxo), I’ve had a hugely significant jump in referrers that have come from my contribution to other bloggers in their own spaces. And I like that.
As for sponsored posts? Eh. It feels a little dirty, sometimes. And other times I am neither here nor there, but I agree with Kate on the potential (likelihood, more like) to put a speed bump in the story telling. When one post is a deep and stirring account of a blogger’s distress, or an thoughtful/adorable/heartfelt/frustrated/frazzled musing of parenthood, and then the next post is all HEY LOOK AT THIS PRODUCT THAT I JUST LOOOOOOOVE, as though it’s going to serve me in the same way that it serves her. If I buy the product, I have the product. She already has the product; she probably got it for free, AND she has the cash for telling her audience about it. It’s not going to benefit me more. And puuuhlease. I don’t mop the floor (unless checking the mail in socks on a rainy day and then coming back inside counts).
But, people will do what they will with their own spaces. So: I dunno. (eloquent, yeah?)
January 10th, 2012 at 11:45 am
Christine…it’s not all good if you’re left feeling small.
i wish there were theory about this stuff but there isn’t, really…this is just me trying to figure out what we do and why we are so divided about it. every word and contribution helps. i try to keep this space welcoming and don’t want it to be intimidating, so if there’s something i can do to make it more like a table to pull up to and grab and tea and talk, please. tell me. i want to hear the tons you have to say.
you pointed out, inadvertently, in mentioning “slinking back” to your small blog that issues of scale and popularity are perhaps an elephant in the room. i haven’t fleshed out this idea of horizontality and verticality much yet (and i don’t know if it’s resonating for people? feedback desperately welcomed :)) but it seems to me that in terms of scale of attention, we need to decouple the idea of small from unpopular, or unsuccessful. the way that attention works favours the vertical stream: they have more eyeballs, flat out. so being fully horizontal in one’s practices means one is likely to stay within small, tight networks. being fully vertical in one’s aspirations (b/c you can’t control what others do and vertical entities are less likely to be reciprocal) means you may have far greater visibility but not likely the same level of embeddedness in community.
but. what about how we feel about each other? this is the piece i’m trying to sort out, here. i know i’ve been jealous when other people get “discovered” by vertical entities and i don’t: their practices that led to that aren’t necessarily visible to me. and sometimes it’s just luck. but should we be talking about how to be more vertical?
do the vertically ambitious resent the horizontally-focused as unprofessional and somehow reflecting on THEIR identities? i’ve seen some comments about personal blogs (from former personal bloggers) that lead me to suspect.
i still think we have more in common than not. but maybe we need to dig more through these various off-putting practices that different groups engage in to find that commonality?
January 10th, 2012 at 11:54 am
Alison…really interesting analysis of your own practices and what works for you and for your tastes. particularly about products: good point, that a product isn’t likely to serve me as it did the reviewer.
i will say that i have actually bought stuff that bloggers reviewed. a few times. once i bought a pair of Vincent kid sandals called “Oscars” which were reviewed by Sarah on her Slouching Mom Reviews site. Oscars feet turned out to be kinda too round for them but Josephine wore them all this past summer. still. i’d never have heard of them without Sarah, and i live in a bit of a shopping backwater so don’t mind learning how people source things that i find appealing. however, you’re right: the whole jump from the highly personal to the highly commercial in the space of a few posts is jarring. i often feel even posts like these here on my site are jarring…but i don’t want all my social media thoughts to be directed toward the theoryblog audience. THIS is the community from which i draw most of my understanding.
i guess that’s one of the things about this reputational economy: even if you’re a small, mostly-horizontal personal blog, there is still some process of trying to see how you’re taken up and reflected and understood that’s necessary if you want a consistent audience. people need not to be jarred all the time by what they get, unless it’s jarred by your amazingness, i suppose. we’re all subject to those market considerations, even if we don’t have a monetary market.
January 10th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Me? For me, making money because of my blog, not on it, has felt the most natural and authentic. That said, I couldn’t care less if someone does it differently. I am very, very comfortable in the way I am telling my own story.
That’s why I read blogs, I like different perspectives and ideas and personalities and methodologies. I don’t find people who do things differently offensive, I find them intriguing, and I often learn from those other camps.
And that’s the kind of rational crap thinking no one wants to hear online, because it doesn’t garner page views and trolls. So, I keep it in my pocket, where it does me some good.
January 10th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
I also very much agree with the commentor who spoke to the notiion that we must support each other. In theory, nice, but the reality is that blogging is the business of people, and everyone is not going to be invested in everyone else. Its unrealistic for me to expect that EVERYONE WILL LOVE ME and I WILL LOVE THEM IN RETURN.
So, while I may support, in theory, someone’s right to handle their monitization as they choose, I (much like kate) fully support my own right to avoid it like the plague, i choose.
January 10th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
I see a big difference if the ads support the writing or if the writing is primarily a vehicle for the ads.
If, like so many “women’s interest” magazines, the same kinds of articles/posts get rotated seasonally to showcase different products, is this not drowning out women’s voices, or worse yet, proposing that this screaming commercialism is the most important thing they have to say?
Should we be so lucky as to get “a seat at the table,” would we use our time to discuss the value of our contributions to building a home, a family, a company, and a society, or would we simply hawk the products we use to accomplish those tasks?
January 10th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
By “a seat at the table” I thought you meant: a seat among the power brokers, without whom you can have no hope of influencing/determining policy.
I think we’re all arguing over degree. It’s OK to have ads as long as the ads don’t overwhelm the reader — with the reader ultimately determining at what point the ads overwhelm. We want a seat at “the table” where issues we care about are being discussed — whether those issues are Big and involve key politicians, or whether they’re Small and involve mothers battling the loneliness and frustration of raising toddlers.
I like what one of the earlier commenters said. If we don’t want CBC to tell the world about monetization v. non-monetization in “mommyblogs,” what do we want it to tell the world about us?
January 10th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
I listened to you on the program on Sunday as I fried up banana pancakes, and was so happy to hear your take. Which I’d heard the first time in your post after Blissdom, and the point that some bloggers are (un)wittingly marketers. I teach a blogging course, and used your quote in my class, because it so perfectly articulated something that had been niggling at me for a long time.
Anyway, I have a real bias on this issue due to my aversion to *stuff* in general. It’s been a slow awakening to realize that not everybody shares my aversion, that some people really do thing that connecting corporate brands with a wider audience to sell their stuff is actually a good thing. But as parents, we’re inundated with the message that stuff stuff and more stuff is integral to parenting, and I think we’re being duped (and robbed). Bloggers who jump on the monetization bandwagon can come to be part of the problem.
Anyway, I feel fortunate to be a book blogger where the stuff is books, and therefore not really stuff at all. Though your comments are relevant to any blogosphere actually, and I really appreciate your point of view.
January 10th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
I have been continuing to read along on all of the comments here. Such great discussions. I am also still thinking a lot about all of it. Yesterday, I started a blog post about many of the issues that have been outlined thus far but to be honest though, it started to feel a bit like I was herding cats. There are so many valid points, so much to consider, so many ways that we can look at the issues identified. So…hopefully, before the week is through I will get to the place that I feel I can be articulate enough for all of it to make sense and I can post it.
In answer to this question: If we don’t want CBC to tell the world about monetization v. non-monetization in “mommyblogs,” what do we want it to tell the world about us? Here are a few things I have been mulling around.
Obviously this CBC story was about mommy bloggers; however I found it a bit frustrating that there were little to no references made regarding the broader world of blogging and social media. As I said in my earlier comment, this issue is something that bloggers have been struggling with for many years. There are a lot of take aways that we can learn from other blogger communities who are farther along the journey toward monetization than the mommy blogging community is. A quick google search reveals that there is actually a lot of ongoing discussion at conferences, in mainstream media articles and in online blog posts regarding the issue of bloggers who choose to monetize their sites etc. I for one, have seen more than a few mainstream bloggers clarify just what they are doing, why they are doing it and how they feel it will benefit their work and/or blogging further. I think that we can learn from all of these experiences.
I would have also liked to hear more about the efforts that mommy bloggers, who choose to monetize in some form or another, make to ensure they continue to align their voices with their values. Just how is it that they ensure they continue to build trust with their readers? How they are working with the broader blogging community and their readers to overcome the challenges they may face if they choose to develop partnerships or monetize etc? All of this information would have been helpful.
All of that said, the documentary was a good one. It served a purpose of further opening up the issues for ongoing debate, discussion and dialogue. I for one welcome this. To me there is no one size fits all approach to any of this. We can all only learn from one another, from the experiences of other bloggers and from the fact that the whole world of social media is continuing to evolve daily. We are on a journey and in some small way I take great comfort in that. I also take comfort knowing that there are so many in the blogging world who truly, truly care about what all of this really means in the long term.
January 10th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
just wanted to thank everyone for chiming in…this has become a complex conversation and i have trouble keeping my head around it.
keeping track of all that’s being said and what’s meant by it: like Jane said above, it’s like herding cats. i don’t mean you guys. i mean the words and the concepts and feelings and positionings that lie under them. and we all come in with our own preconceived understands of the conversation and the divisions within it. no wonder we end up in camps! one of the challenges of this medium…the same words can mean so many things. and i’m thinking out loud here and not using them all as carefully as i could. so thank you all, for bearing with me, for daring to wade in and for coming back to try again.
i like the question of “what do we want the CBC to tell the world about us?” i have no answer, mind you. and i’m not even sure – for all my talk of commonalities and “in it together” – that there’s an us. if i think about it in terms of anthropology, i’d say there are a few groups of “us,” at least: people loosely bound by similar practices, maybe even shared ethics. all i’m trying to say here is that i don’t think “monetization” as it often talked about or taken up is one of the dividing lines between those groups….i think most of us fall into the middle Mr. Lady talked about and i wish OUR conversations could be about what those ethics ARE, loosely. what’s important? whether we have ads or no, make money on or from our blogs, what do we want shared out here? i don’t think there’ll be consensus, nor need there be. i do think having the conversation focus on things other than money would actually go a long way to strengthening other things.
me, i don’t want to be involved in a practice that is entirely about consumption, that is just Amway on a screen. i saw a quote on Twitter tonight, about teaching: i think it applies to blogging too. “In order to foster creation over consumption, foster a culture that allows kids/teachers to be vulnerable.” i think there are corners in which the momblogging community does this beautifully. i also think that vulnerability – while not easily marketed – can have a place in successful monetization AND successful vertical growth/ambition (these are not necessarily the same thing – lots of review bloggers monetize horizontally).
more than what the CBC should say about us, i want to think about who our audiences are for what we say. part of me wants to believe we DO have important things in common, that we can be (within limits of interest and taste which will very from person to person) each other’s audiences, along WITH the goal of mass-mediated eyeballs that many of us (me included) dream about. i think keeping each other in our own mental pictures matters, whether we include Swiffer-sellers in our definitions of “each other” or no. i think otherwise we’re just chasing media and dropping the social entirely. sometimes people feel they have to: timewise, this is WORK. and if you succeed, it’s hard to engage in the same ways, i think. we’re in transition, and we don’t have models for what comes next. i just don’t want the models to emerge from a story of false divides that we allow ourselves to buy into.
that said, i sent the link for this post to the very gracious Ira Basen from CBC, who wrote back and told me he’d actually interviewed me from Peter Gzowski’s old studio. and then i swooned. :)
January 11th, 2012 at 12:00 am
I believe in content. And words used to tell stories. Whatever the story may be. As long as it’s authentic. I veer to the side of storytellers and (truth be told) decry the panderers, but if the story told is real and FOR THE READER in some way (to entertain, to illuminate, to soul-strum), I’m OK.
I think the lines drawn are etched as much by the non-seller-outers as the panderers, but like Nightmare on Elm Street so simply states, “If we give it power, it lives.”
SO. I continue to write the words, take ads (because I want to make a living with my words), and accept writing jobs afforded by my blog. With the notion that I will do so authentically.
It’s all I got.
And what you said here?
Resonates on a deep level.
You nailed it for me.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:52 am
It’s okay that we don’t all know each other.
Pants and a dress, Bon. You can work all the angles.
January 11th, 2012 at 4:51 am
Just wanted to say that I’ve read along eagerly and listened to the CBC podcast (isn’t technology wonderful?). It’s just so good to find this being discussed – here in the UK mummy blogging community (not as polite, I fear, as Canada)we’re still at the ‘when two sides go to war’ stage. The UK only staged its first blogging conference in 2010 and I came home thoroughly disillusioned. The marketers/corporate heads had already infiltrated and taken over.
January 11th, 2012 at 10:03 am
I just want to stick this in somewhere – I love you, Bon. And thank you.
That is all. :) xo
January 11th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
I think the whole question is pretty interesting, but I think in the end it’s a lot like everything else. Different approaches will work for different folks. I am not monetized (but I’m also a pretty small time blogger), but I don’t mind other people making money as long as the ads aren’t too annoying. And if their blog is really ad annoying, I’ll just find another one to visit.
January 11th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
Jeez. I’m kind of sorry I missed the show. And I’m damned glad you blog, generously, freely —- and on ways that make others with small, hidden voices consider that maybe one day they too might have something to say. Or be able to flout the damned crushing vertical of the traditional academic writing for the scary but potentially more freeing and creative horizontal. Thanks for what you do and for your generosity while doing it:)
January 12th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
I am so glad that I am reading this with a year and a half of blogging under my belt but a lifetime of writing. If I were brand spanking new to blogging and stumbled on this post I would be wondering what the hell?
Once again we are discussing this Great Divide. I know moms who are review bloggers and work with brands, I learned that they work hard, they are good at what they do. It’s this separation that makes some moms be afraid to say ” I am a Mommy blogger.”
I know the kind of blogger I am. I have been writing for years, just new to blogging, I write from the heart, I write for me. I write in hopes that someone out there can identify with the things I have gone through in my life and it can make someone feel better to know they are not alone. I try to write and keep things positive because that is where I need to be. Wrapped in a cocoon of positivity, that’s me.
I know that I would like to work with brands sometimes. I know I don’t want my blog to just be about reviews, but I do not fault or judge the women who do. I want to be supportive of whoever I connect with, if that mean I read blogs that have ads, or review things I may not need I do it.
I do it because behind that blog is a mom who is working hard for her family and doing what she believes in. I met a lot of these moms at Blissdom Canada this past year. They are no different from anyone, they just chose a different path in their blogging.
We have had a similar discussion here Bon when you posted after Blissdom. I would love to be a blogger that grows up to be able to sit with the big girls. The truth is those big girls ( not all ) don’t make it easy, the circles are woven so tightly,like intricate webs of steel, it takes a long time to get in, or be accepted.
Let’s not even talk about the cliques. They DO exist. I have experienced it myself. I am not sure there is room for everyone at the table, and really that is okay because I am fine sitting at a table by myself.
So where do the new bloggers turn to? To the brands that want them not for who they are but for the vehicle that is their blog.
I wish there wasn’t such a crack in the foundation that is Mommy Blogging, but there is and I agree that it needs to be fixed. I think we all have a right to choose what we read, who we follow for sure. Can it not be done without judgement?
Do we all have to be so fragmented? Does it really take away from the ultimate goal of blogging whether someone does it for money or not? Whether we choose to work with brands or not?
Most of those moms who are review bloggers were the ones who accepted me and taught me so much when I first started blogging. Others who only write for the sake of writing were not so welcoming. So where is the problem really?
I know it’s within each of us. You have all said that Mommy Blogging has changed. So instead of fighting it why not embrace it? Would it not make thing better?
When it comes down to it, it’s us and how we perceive things should be. It’s time to conquer the Great Divide and learn how to get across it. Peacefully.
January 20th, 2012 at 9:41 am
LOL… I am old enough to remember Peter Gzowski’s ill-fated venture into late-night television. I didn’t listen to him often on Morningside (that thing called work intefering :p), but I know exactly what you mean in those first few paragraphs. ; ) The older I get the more I appreciate CBC Radio. Dh & I have become faithful listeners of Stuart McLean’s Vinyl Cafe on Sundays at noon over the past few years, & I’ll often catch the tail end of the Sunday Edition before it comes on.
Sorry I missed you in the original broadcast, but thanks for the podcast link. I listened last night, read your post, & see your point. We all benefit from our blogs in some way, whether in terms of money, free samples in exchange for reviews, new friendships, flattering comments, the knowledge that our voice is being heard & appreciated by someone else out there. My own blog is highly personal in nature, and most of the ones I read are too — mostly from the adoption/loss/infertility world — but I also read political blogs, communications blogs, scrapbooking blogs…
I think there’s plenty of room at the table for everyone, although the few bloggers who make tons of money (like Dooce & Pioneer Woman) seem to be the ones that the media focuses on. Some of the monetized blogs out there do a great job of blending the personal & the commercial — although I will admit that hearing hearing anyone (bloggers or not) blithely spout jargon-laden phrases like “engaging with brands” makes my skin crawl. ; )
Anyway, congratulations!! I hope this is the first of many such interviews for you. : )